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Discussion starter · #21 ·
I have no problem with addition of safety (well, quasi-safety) features. I hate when they make it mandatory and don't allow me to bypass it.
The reason I'm saying "quasi" is because for me personally, that hill-assist is a complete opposite of a safety feature. I find it distracting and dangerous.
 
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ToeKutter said:
I have no problem with addition of safety (well, quasi-safety) features. I hate when they make it mandatory and don't allow me to bypass it.
The reason I'm saying "quasi" is because for me personally, that hill-assist is a complete opposite of a safety feature. I find it distracting and dangerous.
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agreed. the first time i was trying to merge into traffic from a dead stop onto a busy road, hill assist got me and i almost wrecked because of it. ive gotten use to it now, and ill just pull up to a hill, automatically let off the brake and start slipping the clutch and staying in 1st to get hill assist to turn off and ill wait for my chance to merge like that.

anyone driving a standard transmission vehicle should not have to put up with this crap imo. auto, maybe, but if you drive a stick you know how to drive a damn car.
 
#24 ·
Nobody answered the question about what safety features are disabled. Correct me if I'm wrong, won't the e-brake disable the VDC?

I would not drive all the time with the e-brake at 1 notch. What's so hard about using the e-brake just when you are on actual hills?
 
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On hill assist, i always let off the brake and wait that 2 seconds til i roll then take off, or let off the brake a few seconds befor the light turns green and just give it a tiiiiny gas with the clucth barley out to hold me from moving back...Pretty simple ways to get around it if you need too, even on big hills.

Plus who gives a f*** if someone behind me has to wait 1 - 2 seconds after the light is green for it to go off..

And no need to risk anything bad with driving with the e-brake, which is pretty dumb. If you gotta drive with the ebrake on just to avoid something simple, then you need an automatic.
 
#26 ·
The hill assist system will apply as much brake force as you have when the car comes to a stop. I try to use as little brake as possible to hold me at the stop. Then pulling away under power can be done even before the system lets you go.
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
xxINKxx said:
On hill assist, i always let off the brake and wait that 2 seconds til i roll then take off, or let off the brake a few seconds befor the light turns green and just give it a tiiiiny gas with the clucth barley out to hold me from moving back...Pretty simple ways to get around it if you need too, even on big hills.

Plus who gives a f*** if someone behind me has to wait 1 - 2 seconds after the light is green for it to go off..
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The matter of waiting is not because I'm too impatient, it's a matter of being able to get the car to go where you want it, at the rate you dictate with your throttle/clutch combo, WHEN you want it. If being able to have your car do what you want it to do is not one of the most important things about safe driving, then I don't know what is.

Here's an example: There are a few hills around where I live, where I have to merge onto a street with no light. So I'm on a uphill, need to merge, and the street comes from around the bend, so I can only see about 50 yards or so of cars that are approaching. If I didn't have the mandatory hill assist, I would know that when I see no cars approaching, I can go, right then and there and successfully merge. With hill assist, I have to wait for an arbitrary amount of time for my car to take off, and by that time (1-2 seconds later), there might be more cars coming, as my car decides to start moving forward. A couple of times I had to abandon merging because the hill assist ****-blocked me.

I just want to have control of my car, not the other way around.
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
Damon said:
anyone driving a standard transmission vehicle should not have to put up with this crap imo. auto, maybe, but if you drive a stick you know how to drive a damn car.
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Actually, do auto's have hill assist (as we have them)? Automatics basically always add a little gas, so you're rolling forward, and on a hill I think if you want to take off immediately, you just punch it and it goes, no 1-2 second wait. I could be wrong. Haven't sat in an automatic in forever....
 
#30 ·
ToeKutter said:
The matter of waiting is not because I'm too impatient, it's a matter of being able to get the car to go where you want it, at the rate you dictate with your throttle/clutch combo, WHEN you want it. If being able to have your car do what you want it to do is not one of the most important things about safe driving, then I don't know what is.

Here's an example: There are a few hills around where I live, where I have to merge onto a street with no light. So I'm on a uphill, need to merge, and the street comes from around the bend, so I can only see about 50 yards or so of cars that are approaching. If I didn't have the mandatory hill assist, I would know that when I see no cars approaching, I can go, right then and there and successfully merge. With hill assist, I have to wait for an arbitrary amount of time for my car to take off, and by that time (1-2 seconds later), there might be more cars coming, as my car decides to start moving forward. A couple of times I had to abandon merging because the hill assist ****-blocked me.

I just want to have control of my car, not the other way around.
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I don't think you actually have to wait the whole time. When you give it enough gas and the car starts moving forward the hill assist/brakes should disengage. I deal with hills every day. Once you commit to going the hill assist will disengage and you don't have to wait. Just commit to going instead of wondering if/when the hill assist will turn off!
 
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hokie_sti said:
I don't think you actually have to wait the whole time. When you give it enough gas and the car starts moving forward the hill assist/brakes should disengage. I deal with hills every day. Once you commit to going the hill assist will disengage and you don't have to wait. Just commit to going instead of wondering if/when the hill assist will turn off!
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Actually, if you hit the gas too much, then once the brakes disengage, it results in a major jerking motion. And I always experience that delay, I've never notice what you're saying that the thing would release right away if I give it more throttle. Maybe mine is just fubar...:lol:
 
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ToeKutter said:
Actually, if you hit the gas too much, then once the brakes disengage, it results in a major jerking motion. And I always experience that delay, I've never notice what you're saying that the thing would release right away if I give it more throttle. Maybe mine is just fubar...:lol:
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Nah yours isn't fubar. It's just how hard you are holding the brake when you are stopped on the hill. You must have steeper inclines than hokie does. All the system does is hold your brake pressure for a couple seconds - whatever brake pressure you have just applied. If you were light on the brakes then the acceleration force would more easily overpower the braking force, which sounds like what hokie is experiencing.
 
#33 ·
Rum said:
Nah yours isn't fubar. It's just how hard you are holding the brake when you are stopped on the hill. You must have steeper inclines than hokie does. All the system does is hold your brake pressure for a couple seconds - whatever brake pressure you have just applied. If you were light on the brakes then the acceleration force would more easily overpower the braking force, which sounds like what hokie is experiencing.
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Haha, or maybe mine is fubar and working in my favor :lol:
 
#37 ·
HSA blows.

Some people like it I guess. But IMO it is personal preference. My personal preference is it ruins the whole driving experience for me.

Using the ebrake disables VDC and puts the diff in full open.

In normal driving, I use the ebrake on hills to disable HSA. I pull it up just enough for the light to come on. Luckily it doesn't really matter on dry pavement.

IMO this is the worst thing on a car ever. every time it comes on (HSA) I regret buying the car.

****ing bull**** ****ing Subaru for making this **** and not letting us disable it. **** **** **** **** **** ****.

I will pay $1000 for something that lets me disable it permanently. $1000 cash baby. Please someone come up with this.
 
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I must drive like a grandpa because I RARELY have the hill assist engage at a stop. I can force it on, but for normal driving I'm rarely on my brakes hard enough on an incline to even trip it. I had my car for 2 weeks before I even noticed it.

Try stopping easier with less pedal pressure. It only engages at a certain pressure so I only use it when I want it.
 
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