Doesnt ebrake bring up also disable some of the safety systems?

 

Such as?

 

Also though of another thing - I could probably rig the sensor to be pushed in, without actually lifting the parking brake lever and risking the brake engagement. But I haven't gotten that far yet...

 

Or you could adjust the parking brake at the rotors such that a single click wouldn't be enough to push the shoes against the inner drum.

 

Well on the older sti's when you would pull the ebrake it would change to a open diff.

 

^ true on the GR as well AFAIK.

 

What is the hill assist thing?

It basically just makes sure you dont roll back?

Whats so bad about that?

 

It's very unpredictable. It holds the brakes for about a second, so if you're on a hill and trying to merge (quickly), you're SOL, cuz you git the gas, drop the clutch, and wait until hill assist decides to let you take off. Very annoying and dangerous.
Then there's the jerking "hop" once the thing does let you take off.
I ****ing hate it...

For a whole ton of pissed off user comments, read here:
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/ecu-tun...rums/ecu-tuning-performance-electronics/120496-disabling-hill-start-assist.html

 

I've come to terms with the hill assist. I now do this thing where I lift off the brake a split second before I put the car in gear. As a result it never engages.

Back to the original topic though, this is the first I hear that the 09's disable feature resets at each startup. That's half-assed of Subaru.

 

According to the manual it shouldn't reset unless you disconnect the battery. I haven't tested any of this out though.

 

Can you not adjust the ebrake on the GR?

 

You mean at the wheels? Yea, I'm pretty sure I can, but like I said earlier, it seems like a PITA way of solving this.

 

Its not just Subaru.

Many new cars have some form of HSA check out the BMW forums to see how many of them are PO at their cars version of HSA etc. My wifes Mercedes (GLK) has it as well.

When this first started I did some searching around the net and found some US legislation that kind of says (written by a lawyer for lawyers) that this is a required/recomended feature of stability control systems. So if your looking to blame someone for this blame our gov.

cheers

 

I have no problem with addition of safety (well, quasi-safety) features. I hate when they make it mandatory and don't allow me to bypass it.
The reason I'm saying "quasi" is because for me personally, that hill-assist is a complete opposite of a safety feature. I find it distracting and dangerous.

 

agreed. the first time i was trying to merge into traffic from a dead stop onto a busy road, hill assist got me and i almost wrecked because of it. ive gotten use to it now, and ill just pull up to a hill, automatically let off the brake and start slipping the clutch and staying in 1st to get hill assist to turn off and ill wait for my chance to merge like that.

anyone driving a standard transmission vehicle should not have to put up with this crap imo. auto, maybe, but if you drive a stick you know how to drive a damn car.

 

i used a half empty water bottle and shoved it under it so it doesnt click but still acts as if its on/engaged.. make sure its tight though!

 

Nobody answered the question about what safety features are disabled. Correct me if I'm wrong, won't the e-brake disable the VDC?

I would not drive all the time with the e-brake at 1 notch. What's so hard about using the e-brake just when you are on actual hills?

 

On hill assist, i always let off the brake and wait that 2 seconds til i roll then take off, or let off the brake a few seconds befor the light turns green and just give it a tiiiiny gas with the clucth barley out to hold me from moving back...Pretty simple ways to get around it if you need too, even on big hills.

Plus who gives a f*** if someone behind me has to wait 1 - 2 seconds after the light is green for it to go off..

And no need to risk anything bad with driving with the e-brake, which is pretty dumb. If you gotta drive with the ebrake on just to avoid something simple, then you need an automatic.

 

On hill assist, i always let off the brake and wait that 2 seconds til i roll then take off, or let off the brake a few seconds befor the light turns green and just give it a tiiiiny gas with the clucth barley out to hold me from moving back...Pretty simple ways to get around it if you need too, even on big hills.

Plus who gives a f*** if someone behind me has to wait 1 - 2 seconds after the light is green for it to go off..

The matter of waiting is not because I'm too impatient, it's a matter of being able to get the car to go where you want it, at the rate you dictate with your throttle/clutch combo, WHEN you want it. If being able to have your car do what you want it to do is not one of the most important things about safe driving, then I don't know what is.

Here's an example: There are a few hills around where I live, where I have to merge onto a street with no light. So I'm on a uphill, need to merge, and the street comes from around the bend, so I can only see about 50 yards or so of cars that are approaching. If I didn't have the mandatory hill assist, I would know that when I see no cars approaching, I can go, right then and there and successfully merge. With hill assist, I have to wait for an arbitrary amount of time for my car to take off, and by that time (1-2 seconds later), there might be more cars coming, as my car decides to start moving forward. A couple of times I had to abandon merging because the hill assist ****-blocked me.

I just want to have control of my car, not the other way around.

 

The hill assist system will apply as much brake force as you have when the car comes to a stop. I try to use as little brake as possible to hold me at the stop. Then pulling away under power can be done even before the system lets you go.

 

Is hill assist really THAT bad? I forgot about it after a week.

 

Have you looked under the center console for an in car ebrake adjustment yet?

 

Oh, sorry no. According to the manual, it should b there. I just at this point don't think that using the e-brake as a way to disable the hill-assist is a good idea at all.

 

I totally agree. I thought you were dead set on it though.

 

Nah. I was just asking here to find out. And apparently that one post where the guy said his rotors heated up answered my question. :lol:

 

HSA blows.

Some people like it I guess. But IMO it is personal preference. My personal preference is it ruins the whole driving experience for me.

Using the ebrake disables VDC and puts the diff in full open.

In normal driving, I use the ebrake on hills to disable HSA. I pull it up just enough for the light to come on. Luckily it doesn't really matter on dry pavement.

IMO this is the worst thing on a car ever. every time it comes on (HSA) I regret buying the car.

****ing bull**** ****ing Subaru for making this **** and not letting us disable it. **** **** **** **** **** ****.

I will pay $1000 for something that lets me disable it permanently. $1000 cash baby. Please someone come up with this.

 

I must drive like a grandpa because I RARELY have the hill assist engage at a stop. I can force it on, but for normal driving I'm rarely on my brakes hard enough on an incline to even trip it. I had my car for 2 weeks before I even noticed it.

Try stopping easier with less pedal pressure. It only engages at a certain pressure so I only use it when I want it.

 

Funny Thread :rofl:

 

Just don't press the brake down all the way. There is a threshold of when hill assist is activated or not.

 

On the 09's i am pretty sure that u can turn off the hill assist.

 

^^Yes you can, it just keeps the light lit up all time from what I've heard.

 

UPDATE:
I managed to disable my hill assist (stays disabled), I guess I was doing something wrong the first time (ID-10T Error apparently. :lol Thanks for everyone's input!

 

I've found that hill assist doesn't engage while in neutral. I've also learned that I shift into 1st as I take my foot off the brake while starting from a stop.