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Will a preturbo exhaust leak cause a missfire?

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#1 · (Edited)
Background and symptoms:
I have been searching on mostly Nasioc for an answer. As some of you know I have a leak in my Headers collector to UP flanges. I will be swapping the headers out soon and want to make sure that this will fix my problem. But could this leak be causing a misfire?

I start the car and it runs fine at idle when cold. After it warms up to normal temp, I can feel an intermittent vibration and hear a "puh" noise now and then from in the cabin and if I put my ear near the exhaust pipe.

I also have an afterfire if I push it hard out of 1st and into second or if I rev the car.

I dont think it is a boost/vacuum leak as I hold pretty steady at about -9 to -10psi vacuum per the AP at idle.

My AFR once warmed up hovers around 14.7+/- .3, but occasionally will spike up to 16 which also seems to be a symptom of the "puh" noise.

My RPMs also like to dip from 750 down to the mid to high 600s and then rise back to 750. when they drop is when I get that "puh" sound which is accompanied by the vibration in the engine.

I am not getting any CELs.. at all..

I do not get any hesitation or issues when on the throttle be it a little bit cruising around or at WOT and anything in between. It is only at idle.

Mods:
APS CAI 65mm
Maddad UEL headers and UP - with a leak
Cobb Catted TBE
Walbro
NGK Copper spark plugs - w/about 4k miles on them
APv2
Protune/streetune
Running only 93oct


What I have done so far troubleshooting:
1.) I have swapped to brand new spark plugs with no change in idle, so I swapped back to the older plugs as they still have some mileage left on them. I also made sure to regap them to .028" - no change

2.) pulled the MAF and cleaned it with electical cleaner, twice - no change

3.) cleaned the air filter - no change

4.) pulled the oil cap and checked for smoke - nada

5.) checked the exhaust at start up for smoke (white/blue/black) - Nada

What I suspect:
My research is showing that it could be my pre-exhaust leak, that I hope to have fixed by next weekend or a possible o2 sensor problem. I wondered about the o2 as I have been fooling with my headers for the last 3 weekends and may have damaged it. I have read that because the car runs closed loop when initially started the 02 sensor isnt used. After the car warms up will it use the o2 and if it is bad could be causing this issue.


My plan thusfar:
1.) compression test - but is this needed since there is no smoke from the oil fill neck?

2.) swapping headers back to stock with all brand new OEM gaskets.

3.) boost/vacuum leak test.

Any ideas on what is causing this or possible fixes/things to check that I have missed? Should I log the car at idle and post that to be diagnosed?
 
#2 · (Edited)
My car(protuned) and even with the earlier ots map does that puh puh from exhaust. Same for the dipping idle. My idle dip got worse after tgv delete and protune. Never stalls but comes very close a few times before out of cold start. Seems to be pretty normal stuff for our cars. The preturbo exhaust leak will likely cause more afterfire between shifts since it will cause erratic rich than lean conditions. For your header leak, have you tried a fresh gasket smeared with 22B exhaust gasket(red tube) sealer? I use it around all my tbe flanges.

The AP can only read to -10 vacuum. A real boost gauge reads like -20 at idle.
 
#3 ·
My car(protuned) and even with the earlier ots map does that puh puh from exhaust. Same for the dipping idle. My idle dip got worse after tgv delete and protune. Never stalls but comes very close a few times before out of cold start. Seems to be pretty normal stuff for our cars. The preturbo exhaust leak will likely cause more afterfire between shifts since it will cause erratic rich than lean conditions. For your header leak, have you tried a fresh gasket smeared with 22B exhaust gasket(red tube) sealer? I use it around all my tbe flanges.
Thanks for the response. I have tried everything for the header leak and have kept track of it here: http://www.iwsti.com/forums/engine-...ms/engine-power-performance/131449-maddad-headers-leaking-need-gasket-help.html

I will say when I used the graphite gasket and revved the engine it didnt afterfire anymore. I assume because the leak was sealed until I did a few pulls with the car and demolished the gasket. So it makes sense the leak is causing the afterfire. I dont ever remember having this "puh" sound before though and it has me concerned.

I am ditching the maddads and going back to a PnP stock with Grimmspeed UP/Xpipe and all brand new OEM gaskets, most likely this coming weekend as long as all the parts get here in time.
 
#4 ·
You've got a good bit of mods done. You should really consider getting a wideband gauge. it has saved me a few times when hoses and lines have popped off or a leak somewhere developed.
 
#6 ·
Seriously, look into it with intent. A VERY important gauge.
 
#8 ·
Ive seen that with long intakes and idling the car...i guess its lack of air when idling. I have a buddy with a ver4 in his GF and hes got pre-turbo leaks it doesnt stutter but it backfires (for lack of better term) between hard shifts. He doesnt have gauges yet but you can tell hes not got enough boost. I dont know if that gives you any insight, the pops in your exhaust in shifts are propbably due to the leak and like someone said due to the car running rich and the stuttering i would thing again is due to the leak because the cars not pushing enough air into the motor and it kinda wants to stall.

It def sounds frustrating when you have to swap headers, x-pipe up pipe out and hope thats your problem
 
#9 ·
a preturbo doesn't cause a misfire. you would throw a code for a misfire...an air leak will cause a misfire though.

the idling is normal for subarus, they always dip around and is actually more related to the tuning. i know my car did it and after doug and chris tuned it, it was gone and was steady at 1000rpm all the time.

aside from the maddad leak, the stumbling can be a tuning issue. if you had a leak somewhere, the computer would find it, even if it's the tiniest of hoses that is popped off. check all the hoses and check that silly little circle thing that is to the right of the turbo inlet in front of the manifold..those little hoses seem to find their way off sometimes.