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Why I'm ordering a new STi

7.3K views 52 replies 26 participants last post by  Whitigir  
#1 · (Edited)
As a previous owner of an '05 STi, there have been several times over the years when I've been tempted to pull the trigger and buy a new STi, but that feeling has never been as strong as it is with the '15. Lately, I've been contemplating what it is about the new car that has held my attention.

Over the years I've matured a bit (my wife might say otherwise). I've gotten older and a little wiser. A little bigger too. So has the STi. We've got kids (6 and 9) who now require a bit more rear seat space.

Much like myself, technology has allowed the STi to learn a few new tricks too. I liken brake torque vectoring to the way I've learned to anticipate corners in arguments (wives are good at that) and quickly steer myself out of them. Optional navigation eliminates any "I told you so" moments when you're seeking unknown lands. Heated seats keep the wife warm and in a good mood. The interior is more comfortable and a quieter place to be. All the better to blast the Harman Kardon stereo system. You couldn't even get a stereo in 2004. What you did have in 2004 was the same beloved 2.5L turbo boxer 4 cylinder. I still have the same engine too.

Sure, there may be a couple attractive things that have been lost over the years. The car isn't as hard edged as it used to be, although it still has all the right moves... just like me (or so I'd like to think). The internals aren't forged any more. Mine aren't either.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that the '15 has lost very little of its essential STi DNA while becoming a slightly more refined, all around better car. A lot of time has passed, more than a decade to be exact. It has grown up a bit, right along with me, but not matured to the point of being watered down and boring. In a sense, the new STi is the automotive equivalent of me. This is why a new STi is coming to my garage.
 
#5 ·
Congrats on the order, I hope you get yours faster than I got mine.
Thanks, guys! Coming from a '13 Focus ST (with NAV, SYNC, and Sony Premium audio), I was a little let down by the NAV in the '15 STi. I've always felt that Subaru has been behind the curve with their infotainment systems. The good news is that the '16 STi is supposed to be coming with Subaru's brand new, updated infotainment system. With it being so late in the '15 model year and the new infotainment system, I've actually decided to wait for the '16 order banks to open around late March. The ST still has plenty of extended warranty left so I can afford to be patient.
 
#3 ·
Nice move. Welcome to the 2015. The EJ is still there but it's tune from stock will pleasantly surprise you. :). There is the better tune and also guys looking at engine components are seeing differences. Hot side of the turbo has gotten a little bigger for one thing. Potentially other internals have been tweaked to aid power jump. Baseline dyno runs on 93 octane have shown 20 hp gains vs last year. Mine pulled 262hp/254tq baseline while earlier cars on the same dyno were seeing 230-240 numbers. After just a stage 1 tune without any other bolt ons besides a turbo blanket and axle back netted 297hp/297tq
 
#8 ·
I want a 15 damit! I love the STI package but it definitely makes it a harder decision with how improved the WRX is for 2015 upgrading to a 6MT and FA20 with twinscroll and equal length is very appealing, I test drove a 15 WRX and was impressed but I haven't yet drove the 15 STI, anyone here drove both cars?
 
#9 ·
The 6mt in the WRX is not even close to the same league as the sti. It's a cable actuated 6 speed version of the old 5 speed. The STI 6 speed is a whole different beast. Hand built, made to handle over 700 hp. WRX 6 speed won't come close. FA20 is a new motor granted but it will not make more hp than the older EJ2.5. It may be more fuel efficient for everyday cruising but the higher liter engine will win. Making power is about displacement and the 2.5 boosted has more than a 2.0 liter boosted. A 2.0 has to make more boost to match the same cylinder volume of the 2.5.
 
#11 ·
I believe what he's saying is that there's still "no replacement for displacement". All things equal, an engine that is 25% larger will make more power. There's not enough difference in the key components and architecture between the old 2.5L and the new, high tech 2.0L to make up for that much difference in engine size.
 
#15 ·
I think we may see an STi with a hybrid power plant in 2016 or 17. A hi performance hybrid. The porsche 918 style. Like the evo replacement was rumored to be. Certainly the template exists in the crosstrek hybrid. Take a WRX FA engine and add a higher power electric motor with maybe 100 hp and gobs of instant torque and you could easily have a 375hp/400 ft. Lb very modern powerplant. I think subaru would be making a mistake if they are not working on something like this. And will probably take a couple years to bring to market.
 
#16 ·
Completely agreed! Before buying my 2015, I had wanted one for quite some time... when the 15's came out though... the price tag just felt much more justified.

It's no secret that STI's have been excellent cars for a long time... but the new ones, just wow.
 
#19 ·
You're going to love the 2015 STI. Like yourself, I'm a husband and a father of two. It's practical with performance. I love the combination. But it is fairly stiff and noisy! :lol: I've had a pleasure of taking my STI to the track. The suspension is very solid from the factory. Enjoy it!
 
#23 ·
The ride is a little stiffer than my Focus ST but road imperfections seem to be absorbed better. I would also guess that the STi had a little more noise insulation than the ST. I really don't mind a firm ride or a little noise. I had a '12 Boss 302 for a bit and quite a few other performance vehicles in the past. Ride quality and noise are sacrifices you make for performance. :tup:
 
#20 ·
Actually I believe the STI will have the new FA25 dit engine. For now what make the FA20 so good in the WRX is not the displacement, it is the direct injection, and the twinscroll turbo. I am not too familiar with direct injections, but I know for a fact if you mod your EJ2.5 from UELH and stock Turbo to ELH and twinscroll, you will gain a lot more hp.

If everything is going according to plan. The new STI with FA25 dit will come around 2017. The time Subaru can get the Toyota hybrid Direct injections. This was what signed the contract with Toyota for the BRZ.
 
#27 ·
My tuner (Jarrad Bowen), friends with the guys at Perrin, says it could be cams due to the fact that the powerband comes in later in the mid range but hits harder up top. But like everything else, it's pretty much just speculation.
 
#30 ·
Of all the cars I've owned - the '15 STi limited is the most complete car I've ever owned...Interior is nice, I love the black roof liner, heated leather, folding rear seats...even down to the suspension...coming from base evos and a premium Rex was enough luxury for me...
 
#32 ·
Well, Nurburgring STI and all race versions of the car use EJ207....only the U.S. is left with a shitty EJ25...and their engineer is saying of how American love Displacement, and there is no replacement for displacement ...... Which is ROFLMAO..... So much irony.
 
#45 ·
The reason we have the 2.5 here in the US is simply because our gas is crap. They tried using a 2.0L first in the WRX's, but it had way too much lag after being tuned to run on the camel piss that passes for gasoline in this country. The 2.0L's in Japan make 320hp. The only way to get that here is with e-85. It's impractical though as the mpg's would drop off a cliff. Displacement is a factor in increasing HP, but power delivery has many factors. For example responsivness and redline. Smaller engines usually rev higher and get there faster. This can give a driver more flexability and better response in a gear when driving on course. I think the 2.5 is a pretty good engine, but if you don't like it blame the politicians. The engineers are just trying to do the best they can with what they are forced to use.
 
#37 ·
A man walked into a bar 10 minutes before closing time and yelled:

"I need to tell you all why I need a drink!"
 
#40 ·
Congrats on the new car. I too am tempted by the new STi- although, unlike you, I am not happy that it's bigger- that's what drove me out of Mustangs in the first place.
I have a heavily modded '04 built it for track use from when I lived in Portland- nice and close to PIR. Now that I'm north of Seattle, I really don't have the time -or interest, if I'm honest- to do track days at Pacific Raceway. As a street car, it leaves a lot to be desired- sure it's fast as hell, but it's a massive PITA to drive on the street.

I have been considering a new STi for several years- I like the idea of a hatchback and really came to appreciate the GR's. Now that the STi finally has the steering that it always deserved, I'm really interested! Of course, now there are no hatchbacks. :(
Plus, it looks like the '16's will all be sedans as well. I guess I'll have to wait for the '17's- but that's going to be difficult, as I'm not good at waiting. (and still no guarantee that they'll make hatches then either...)
 
#41 ·
Given the extra room, creature comforts, and technology the new STi has, I'm very impressed that it's inly gained about 100 pounds over the last decade. That's roughly 3%. I wish I'd only gained 3% over the last decade. LOL
 
#43 · (Edited)
I don't see why the '08-14 hatch is considered more practical than the '15 sedan. I've owned a GR hatch and my wife currently owns an '08 Impreza 2.5i sedan. And having owned both types, the '15 sedan has way more trunk space than both the previous sedan and hatch when it comes to throwing stuff in the back or on top . There is no way I could've fitted my 5-year old daughter's packaged 6-drawer dresser in the hatch, even with the 60/40 split seats. I'm not a big person (170lbs) but the '15 has a good amount of room over the previous sedan and hatch to the point where I feel claustrophobic in my wife's car.

Another thing is that the old and new car has the same exterior width. GR/GV STI has a smaller interior with wider fender flares, the VA STI has a larger interior with narrow fender flares. Between all three chassies, I'd choose my car for practicality any day. The only thing I found handy with the hatch is that it's easier to squeeze in tight spots.
 
#44 ·
I don't see why the '08-14 hatch is considered more practical than the '15 sedan.

Ain't that the truth? My old GF had so much more usable space than my GH. With no turbo model in the current Legacy range there's now a real gap in the line-up.. no spacious and fast wagon. Where the **** is the Levorg, and why (in many markets) are they teasing with the dinky FA16?
 
#48 ·
I came from a 2005 92x (WRX Wagon) Stage 2, Koni, Stoptech BBK setup. The 2015 STi is faster, better composed, and roomier than my old wagon. The upgrade was worth every penny and the wait. The plus side is that I get to keep using the same oil filter and 5w-30. Everything is pretty much in the same spot in the engine bay.
 
#50 ·
That's what racks are for. But short board maybe, long board can go on top or side ways in the back seat with windows down to clothesline anyone within a foot proximity on either side near the car. ;)

What about the rear doors and seats? The new model doors can swing out almost 90 degrees and the door jambs have more clearance to throw a good sized flat screen in the back seat without using the trunk.