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Yep. I used a 2x4 and a 3.5t jack to keep it up. The oil pan is quite sturdy.

I believe releasing both engine mounts at the same time and simply loosening the trans mount is the easiest and quickest method. I don't think we reached the 2hr mark the second time we did it on MaskedMarvel's car. We'll be doing the swap again on a third car shortly. I'm confident we can finish it in under an hour now.
probably too much effort on your side.. but... would it be possible for you to put a video or pics together of the confusing parts for the install?

haha.. its worth a try to ask :)...
 
probably too much effort on your side.. but... would it be possible for you to put a video or pics together of the confusing parts for the install?

haha.. its worth a try to ask :)...
We were supposed to do it this past weekend, but that was cancelled. If they decide to do it this weekend, I'll be out of town.

Which parts are confusing?

  1. Jack up the car and set on jack stands. Ramps don't give much clearance for this so I highly recommend jack stands high enough that you can twist around underneat.
  2. Remove intercooler
  3. Unbolt engine side of pitch stop mount. Loosen cabin side of pitch stop mount. Lift and rotate up out of the way.
  4. Remove undertray
  5. Loosen both bolts on trans mounts. You don't need to go far, just enough to remove the pressure.
  6. Remove subframe brace
  7. Unbolt engine mount nut on each side attached to the subframe
  8. Take jack and wooden block. Lift engine from the oil pan. As you lift, make sure to keep an eye on the AC line to the right. Lift until this AC line is tight, but not in danger of pulling.
  9. You should now have enough clearance to access the 4 nuts holding the mounts to the engine. Use a regular ratchet for the front facing nut. Use a ratchet wrench to access the rear nut.
  10. Replace mounts, and reverse.
 
Got mine installed..

Disconnected Battery
Removed Airbox Intake Duct
Removed Upper Radiator Bracket
Removed Pitch Stop
Removed Intercooler
Removed UnderTray

Loosened the Trans Mount Nuts (only the two attaching it to the trans cross member)

Also removed the downpipe (going stage 2, but loosening the two bolts attaching it to the frame may work as well)

With the above, didn't have any problems shifting the engine and making the studs align with the slots on the engine cross member.

Tip: get two M10 x 1.25 pitch HEX NUTS w/ Flange class 10.9 (check your local Ace Hardware), the torque spec for the motor mount -> cross member NUT is supposed to be 62 FT/LBS but that literally destroyed/stripped the OEM NUT (thank the gods the stud on the motor mount didn't get stripped, had to chase it a few times with a new as NUT as the OEM nut transferred its threads onto the STUD). I have a Precision Instruments torque wrench and I set it to 50 ft/lbs and that MOFO just stripped (I normally set it lower because I put some anti-sieze on everything).

The following made it much easier to get those hard to get motor mount bolts loose (got it from Lowe's) and tight in conjunction with the the ratcheting 14mm flexhead gearwrench.

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The silver bracket that comes with the Group-N mounts is different than what's installed in my 2012 STI. The stock silver bracket has extra heat shielding welded on, and the passenger side also has a removable thin gauge heatshield (which I had to coerce into place as the Group-N rubber mounts have a slightly different cutout hence the tabs didn't fit)

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We were supposed to do it this past weekend, but that was cancelled. If they decide to do it this weekend, I'll be out of town.

Which parts are confusing?

  1. Jack up the car and set on jack stands. Ramps don't give much clearance for this so I highly recommend jack stands high enough that you can twist around underneat.
  2. Remove intercooler
  3. Unbolt engine side of pitch stop mount. Loosen cabin side of pitch stop mount. Lift and rotate up out of the way.
  4. Remove undertray
  5. Loosen both bolts on trans mounts. You don't need to go far, just enough to remove the pressure.
  6. Remove subframe brace
  7. Unbolt engine mount nut on each side attached to the subframe
  8. Take jack and wooden block. Lift engine from the oil pan. As you lift, make sure to keep an eye on the AC line to the right. Lift until this AC line is tight, but not in danger of pulling.
  9. You should now have enough clearance to access the 4 nuts holding the mounts to the engine. Use a regular ratchet for the front facing nut. Use a ratchet wrench to access the rear nut.
  10. Replace mounts, and reverse.
sounds straightforward haha just scared of getting stuck :). I'll see how it goes once I get to this soon.
 
Anybody got a pic of the A/C line that somebody needs to watch? (It's the one on the driver side running to the side of the battery)..
 
For somebody looking for the NUTS - you can SNAG a HELP, Motormite, or Dorman Parts - Part Number 03400.

Grab it from your local Autozone, O'Reilly, and etc Auto Parts store. For around 6$, the package comes with 3 Studs, 2 Bolts, and 5 Nuts which are CLASS 10.9. M10 X 1.25 Flange Nuts that has a slight taper on the end so that they don't back out easily (probably a good thing on a motor mount - lol). The stock nut is a POS and there's no lock washer in there (just a washer).

For something that needs to be torqued to 62 FT/LBS, the thread on the nut destroyed itself quite easily in my install - maybe they are torque to yield nuts and need to be replaced every time. Or it's just wrong.

In another note, while I had the intercooler out, I noticed that the RED 90 degree coupler between the TMIC and the Turbo Outlet is all chewed up by the stock WORM clamp. I replaced it with a Mishimoto 90 Degree Silicone Coupler (for 2-inch OD) - MMCP-2090RD -around 15$ shipped from Summit Racing. And I also bought new ABA / AWAB Smooth-Band clamps so it doesn't happen again ( 2 of Part Number #45945K31 for the Turbo Outlet, and 2 of Part Number #45945K16 for the throttle body) from McMaster-Carr. Should prevent potential boost leaks, and the hose blowing off at a bad time.
 
For people doing the Trans Mount - the Service Manual's torque requirements for the 17 MM bolts is stated as 103 FT/LBS - people have been stripping em. The bolt size is only rated up to 75 FT/LBS so like the caliper bolts, something funky is going on when the service manual was written (Number #1 and #2 in the pic below).

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Additionally, the 14MM nuts and bolts for the rear transmission cross member that secures the rubber cushions should only be 26 FT/LBS, instead of 51 FT/LBS. People been stripping those too.

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I've used all of these torque spec values from the manual without any issues. We just did another set of motor mounts last night. We used 52ft/lbs for the 14mm we loosened. No problems.

Maybe the people having issues are using extensions and long handled wrenches which doesn't actually torque at the value set on the torque wrench. It would over torque it instead!
 
For people doing the Trans Mount - the Service Manual's torque requirements for the 17 MM bolts is stated as 103 FT/LBS - people have been stripping em. The bolt size is only rated up to 75 FT/LBS so like the caliper bolts, something funky is going on when the service manual was written (Number #1 and #2 in the pic below).

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Additionally, the 14MM nuts and bolts for the rear transmission cross member that secures the rubber cushions should only be 26 FT/LBS, instead of 51 FT/LBS. People been stripping those too.

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I've used all of these torque spec values from the manual without any issues. We just did another set of motor mounts last night. We used 52ft/lbs for the 14mm we loosened. No problems.

Maybe the people having issues are using extensions and long handled wrenches which doesn't actually torque at the value set on the torque wrench. It would over torque it instead!
You can see my thread here regarding the 17mm Tranny bolts, I'm in agreement with funks here, I think they punched in the value in the wrong units:
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-gene...neral/248876-sticky-request-incorrect-torque-values-factory-service-manual.html

My first time putting the 17mm bolts back on, I was able to get the torque wrench to click at 103 ft-lbs, but it just did not feel right. I did not even need to use that much force to take it off in the first place. The 2nd time I installed the 17mm bolts, I stripped them and had to throw in some helicoils.

I still believe they (Subaru) punched in the value "75" into the N-m column entry (and their software automatically does the conversion) instead of the Ft-Lb column, which results in the 103 ft-lb screwup.

Note that in my thread, I had also contacted SOA almost 2-years ago regarding the issue. I got some generic responses and a ticket still remains open til this day, have not had an official engineer or tech get back to me, but I sure as hell am NOT torquing those bolts to 103 ft-lb ever again. They have been holding just fine at 75 ft-lbs (after my helicoil repair)

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OP, thanks for posting this thread.

Noximus, thanks for posting your method of simply loosening the tranny bolts to keep the engine lined up, that was a good idea. Subscribing for the future.
 
Wondering if anyone in here has the Group-N Engine mounts but does NOT have the Group-N Tranny mount?

I changed the pitchstop, tranny crossmember bushings, as well as the rear differential & insert bushings. Also did all the shifter bushings. All of those bushings, NVH was minimal (with the exception of the rear shifter bushing which brings out the tranny whine).

Once I threw on the Group-N Tranny mount, everything just started getting annoyingly loud, and the improvement to the driveline was so minimal I went back to stock on the group-N tranny mount.

If the Group-N Engine mounts are going to add as much NVH as the Group-N Tranny mount, then I might not end up doing this mod (unless the improvement to the driveline is much more significant than the group-N tranny mount).

Thanks in advance
 
The engine mounts don't really add NVH other than added vibrations to other parts of the car. They mostly add roughness at idle. I'm exagerating quite a bit, but it feels like you're sitting in a big motor tractor. The seats and steering wheel vibrates. Group N is the most silent mounts you can have. For me, after seeing the improvement and control in first gear, I couldn't go back.

As for the tranny mount nvh, instead of returning the mount to stock, you should highly consider using the group n mount with the stock rear bushing. Plenty of people prefer that setup instead.
 
The engine mounts don't really add NVH other than added vibrations to other parts of the car. They mostly add roughness at idle. I'm exagerating quite a bit, but it feels like you're sitting in a big motor tractor. The seats and steering wheel vibrates. Group N is the most silent mounts you can have. For me, after seeing the improvement and control in first gear, I couldn't go back.

As for the tranny mount nvh, instead of returning the mount to stock, you should highly consider using the group n mount with the stock rear bushing. Plenty of people prefer that setup instead.
Funny you mention that. I tried that exact combination per the suggestion of many users. The NVH at highway speeds was too much for my tastes, and the tightened up in the drivetrain was not enough to warrant the NVH for me.

Also, I felt that using the OEM rear shifter bushing added slop back into the shifter when returning to the neutral position.

I could deal with the gear whine of the shifter bushing, but not the vibration added from the tranny mount.

If the tractor trailer feel is only at idle and not freeway cruising, then I could probably live with that. Thanks for the input!
 
Wondering if anyone in here has the Group-N Engine mounts but does NOT have the Group-N Tranny mount?

I changed the pitchstop, tranny crossmember bushings, as well as the rear differential & insert bushings. Also did all the shifter bushings. All of those bushings, NVH was minimal (with the exception of the rear shifter bushing which brings out the tranny whine).

Once I threw on the Group-N Tranny mount, everything just started getting annoyingly loud, and the improvement to the driveline was so minimal I went back to stock on the group-N tranny mount.

If the Group-N Engine mounts are going to add as much NVH as the Group-N Tranny mount, then I might not end up doing this mod (unless the improvement to the driveline is much more significant than the group-N tranny mount).

Thanks in advance
I had the Group N engine mounts in a little before I installed my Group N transmission mount, and I have a similar setup as you and many others here as far as mounts and bushings go. The engine mounts will present more vibration than the transmission mount. As far as gear whine, it doesn't seem that the transmission mount adds anything more than what the rear shifter bushing creates. Only noticeably more vibration at idle underneath the seat, whereas the engine mounts vibrate more towards the front and steering column. I'm surprised to hear that the transmission mount alone created so much NVH for you that it was unbearable.

The improvement in the car with all these things: Group N engine and transmission mounts, transmission crossmember bushings, rear differential, pitch stop, shifter bushings, all make the car so much more solid and smooth during actual driving that the tradeoff of slight roughness at idle is almost laughable. I don't sit in my car to let it idle, I sit in it to enjoy driving. :) I wouldn't go back to stock for any reason.
 
so I just brought over my Group N Engine mounts to a Subaru shop in San Diego and asked to get them installed into my 2014 STI. The owner of the shop told me that my STI already has Group N engine mounts. I got kind of confused because I did some reading a while back and I thought the Group N mounts used the same mold (and that's why the part number is the same) but stiffer rubber. Doing a quick search today and I found these threads
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/drivetr...train-components/15524-notes-group-n-engine-mount-install-pitch-mount-info.html
and
Group N vs USDM STi Parts - NASIOC

I bought the Group N mounts from Geoff (Cygnus Performance | Late Model Import Parts STi, WRX, BRZ) and the box had a part number D1010FE120 + D1010FE110, Subaru made in japan.

Did I miss something? I see a lot of you guys with STI's and group N mounts so I don't think I did?
 
Rontruong,

Same mold, silver shields are cut differently, and harder rubber on these mounts. I bought the same group-n engine/ tranny mounts and hope to install this weekend on my 2012 STI. I will confirm if the stock ones has the same part number with harder rubber.
 
Rontruong,

Update: swapped out tranny mount today. They look identical however stock tranny mount has a different serial number which is 41022fe010. Also, the stock mount has a soft, cushion center while the Group-N is a lot more solid and firm. Noticed a difference when downshifting. Hope this helps.
 
Thank you Sabrewings for posting this DIY. The write-up and all the additional comments in this thread helped tremendously.

-- I couldn't get the two nuts off the original bracket mounts (I don't have any stable bench vise in my garage nor could I get to one since my car was on jack stands).
I ran into this exact issue, I also don't have a bench vise. I did however have a C-Clamp in my garage, which I clamped the OEM Motor Mount to a table I had in my garage. This allowed me to remove (and tighten) the nuts.

Loosen both bolts on trans mounts. You don't need to go far, just enough to remove the pressure.
This did the trick, when I lowered the engine with my jack (and a little tiny push with my foot against the jack) it dropped right in place.

I'd rate this install at a 3/10 as long as you have the right tools. :tup:
 
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