its funny, california has the strictest emission laws, but when it comes to exhausts, so many ricers get pulled over, they dont even look at the sti's. hell, i could cut my exhaust off behind my front fender if i wanted to and not worry about it

 

thats what u think it depends where u live.

 

shoulda told him it rusted through

 

that's happened to me before too. It's funny how the cops sing a different song when they realize you know your rights

 

stupid police.

 

why is this in member journal?
Ok, we all break the law by modding our vehicle then get pissed when cops enforce the laws and do their job?
How are you going to act towards a cop when someone breaks into your house and you expect a correct police report done? Wouldnt you want him to do his job to the best of his/her ability?
If so, then don't talk trash about cops when they do their job to the best of their ability regarding YOU/ME/US breaking the law.
Regardless of how the officer went about approaching you, YOU/ME/US are wrong when it comes to the law.

 

LOL Thanks Officer Boxer. I am sure most of us are stupid enough to fall for the bogus suggestion that B&E (a crime against property) is equivalent to having a loud car. :lol: Whereas the reality is that if police forces were more aligned toward actually fighting crime than generating revenue for municipalities at the expense of ne'er-do-well losers with riced-out cars, there would be fewer B&Es.

Law enforcement is an industry, just like religion. Within the confines of that industry more revenue can be generated more easily by busting obnoxious punks/ricers who are so starved for attention that they feel compelled to remove their mufflers entirely than by fighting crime.

 

I hate cops in washington.

On my drive from seattle to everett on the weekend mornings there are always four cops, always in the same place, always pulling people over.

 

LIKE OMG!

Cry me a river. Keep this crap on Nasioc

ignorant cops.... hahaha. don't like cops at all good or bad.

Pot meet Kettle

Driving in Washington is painful.

So painful that I've never been pulled over in a modded WRX or STI.


The people that get attention from the police are generally the ones asking for it, i.e. the OP and his muffler delete. He got off with a warning and he still can't find himself accountable.

 

You don't have a muffler... that's illegal... what do you expect?

But yes, cops always say stupid things they make up on the spot.

 

i was just like whatev

do you, like, y'know, live in, like, "the valley"?

 

ignorant cops.... hahaha. don't like cops at all good or bad.

 

ive gotten a ticket for my exhaust, and pulled over 2 more times for an exhaust because it was "shinier" than a stock muffler supposedly. and i have a cobb tuning cat back, so its not a huge cannon.

i live in so. california.

when i got the actual fix-it ticket, i just went to a shop and paid them $5 to print me a receipt saying i paid $50 to install the stock STi exhaust. took the receipt to the anaheim police department and they signed off my ticket. still had to pay the $10 fix-it fee at the courthouse, but it wasnt that major of a hassle.

 

Cops on the West Coast have too much friggin time on their hands. I had a HIGHLY modified RX-8 for years in Boston and never got pulled over for any of my mods. I move to Washington and get pulled over for going 62 in a 60. I actually asked the cop if he was serious when he told me that.

Driving in Washington is painful.

 

I second this...I got pulled over all the time for complete BS, and this was 6+ years ago so things apparently haven't changed...

Two of my favorites were getting a ticket for "sounding" like I was going too fast (I am not joking) and a second for taking a turn too fast (Dry road and no tire squeal). The interstate in Washington (I-5) has more cops than I have ever seen anywhere...and they WILL pull you over for the most benign things.

Wow...that just brought back some painful (driving) memories Good thing Seattle and Vancouver are so awesome...

So painful that I've never been pulled over in a modded WRX or STI.


The people that get attention from the police are generally the ones asking for it, i.e. the OP and his muffler delete. He got off with a warning and he still can't find himself accountable.

Come to think of it...I never did get pulled over again after I bought my WRX in 2002...WTF? LOL.

 

So im pulling into my grandpas driveway when a po turns on his lights im like ok whatd i do? btw i had just taken my grandpa to jack in the box lol. my grandpa opens the door cause hes home and the cop yells keep the door shut! so im like ok i turn the car back on to roll the window down and he comes over .." im pullin ya over cause ur exhaust.. "

I bet he did not give you the ticket because of your grandpa. The dude was on a power trip and was looking for some kid to be mean to...

 

so this "you cant modify exhaust components" law you have, is it only for X amount of years or do you HAVE to replace any broken/rusted/old components with OEM ones?

i know it is illegal to remove/alter emmisions equipment, which makes sense, but what happens 5 years down the road when your exhaust is rusting off and you just want a cheap alternative to an OEM part? What happens if you crest over a large rock or something and bend or otherwise break an exhaust pipe? Do they expect you to pay full OEM price for a new one?

Having never lived on the west coast, the laws you guys have just seem pretty unreasonable ?!?

thx for the info.


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Originally Posted by don2xsti
ignorant cops.... hahaha. don't like cops at all good or bad.


police keep you safe, they don't just give you tickets to make your life complicated. next time you really need help, don't dial 911, i think you should just take care of the problem yourself. and please post back and let us know how that worked out.

 

just to let you guys know in case you dont. It is a Federal Law to remove any emission device unless it damaged. Now we can get intakes/exhaust that are CARB legal, though we still may get pulled over but in the long run we win.
It is part of the game we play. Also, i could of sworn 90% of the part we buy say "for off road use only" meaning not operating on public roads.

 

I have an exhaust, I don't have any problem with being ticketed if it is for a valid reason. I do have a problem with cops giving BS reasons like it is illegal to modify your exhaust at all, it is not illegal to mod exhaust, only emissions equipment, ie cats, not mufflers.

As long as the sound level is below the legal limit for your area you are fine. Most exhaust companies state "off road use only" because they don't want the hassle of getting their systems approved and most of us want a system louder than what would pass.

Also car are not required to have mufflers, The Dodge SRT-4 came from the factory with no muffler. the only thing that matters is what the dB level of the exhaust is. If the cop does not have a dB meter with him then he should not be writing the ticket for an exhaust being too loud. He has no proof.


Remember with any ticket, Innocent till proven guilty. It is their job to prove you are guilty not your job to prove you are not.

 

I have an exhaust, I don't have any problem with being ticketed if it is for a valid reason. I do have a problem with cops giving BS reasons like it is illegal to modify your exhaust at all, it is not illegal to mod exhaust, only emissions equipment, ie cats, not mufflers.

As long as the sound level is below the legal limit for your area you are fine. Most exhaust companies state "off road use only" because they don't want the hassle of getting their systems approved and most of us want a system louder than what would pass.

Also car are not required to have mufflers, The Dodge SRT-4 came from the factory with no muffler. the only thing that matters is what the dB level of the exhaust is. If the cop does not have a dB meter with him then he should not be writing the ticket for an exhaust being too loud. He has no proof.


Remember with any ticket, Innocent till proven guilty. It is their job to prove you are guilty not your job to prove you are not.

There's more to it than just decible levels. Not having a muffler is illegal. Also, exhaust must exit beyond the underside of the car. If the original poster just had a 90 degree turn down on the end of his axelback (to replace the muffler) it's illegal because 1, he has no muffler and 2, it doesn't exit beyond the underside of the car.

 

Laws vary my state, you can't make blanket "this is and this isnt illegal statements."

Since the OP is in Washington, where there is no set DB level...

RCW 46.37.390


(1) Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, bypass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway


and

3) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the engine of such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle, and it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle not equipped as required by this subsection, or which has been amplified as prohibited by this subsection. A court may dismiss an infraction notice for a violation of this subsection if there is reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of this subsection.

 

Laws vary my state, you can't make blanket "this is and this isnt illegal statements."

Since the OP is in Washington, where there is no set DB level...

RCW 46.37.390


(1) Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, bypass, or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway


and

3) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the engine of such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle, and it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle not equipped as required by this subsection, or which has been amplified as prohibited by this subsection. A court may dismiss an infraction notice for a violation of this subsection if there is reasonable grounds to believe that the vehicle was not operated in violation of this subsection.

This proves my point, in this case it is the original sound level that is the limit. In the case of a car that came with no muffler, then no muffler is required. If you can build an exhaust that has no muffler but has the same sound level as the oem one with a muffler, then you should also be in the clear.

 

HAHA damn dude that sucks hard, I live in 'Bama and it is great, moved from PA and we have no inspection here, no emissions, and u can drive around without any exhaust, or bumpers lol

 

If you guys want to really know what cops can and can't mess with you for in the area you live look up the state and municipal statutes. They vary depending on where you are. I know that there is a small town by me that will issue tickets for aftermarket exhaust and they are known for this. I realize that not all cops seem fair or are cool. But they are around for a reason and without them there would be no deterrent at all for theft and other crimes. I was pulled over and ticked last year for allegedly drag racing when I was not. I was doing the speed limit maybe even a little slower when another car with a loud exhaust went flying by me. The cop saw this and pulled both of us over. He wound up ticketing both of us for racing. Oh yeah and the best part of all I am a LEO.

If you guys feel that you are being harassed the best thing I can tell you to do is file a complaint with the Officers supervisor. But as others have said if you truly are breaking the law and the only way to know this is by knowing your local laws then man up and deal with the repercussions of your actions.

 

If you can make an exhaust that is as quiet as stock without the mufflers then how would they cops know that it was changed unless it was obvious like you could see that the exhaust stopped at the rear wheels or exited out of the front bumper etc....


Most states have a law against altering a vehicle from stock form. What it really comes down to is how much the cop wants to push a issue. An officer can articulate anything if he is good enough....and most of the time when a cop is stopping "tuner" cars its because they are looking for other illegal things. Lets face it the Fast and Furious movies that have come out have not exactly helped the import scene. They have portrayed the import scene as a bunch of thug hooligans that monitor police radio's while stealing and street racing illegally.

 

thanks for the input everybody...for the record i don't hate police. the only reson i was complaining is because its honestly not that loud and because he said any modification to a car is illegal. he pulled me over because i had the pipe on only one side not both. i had two dif silverados before this with v8s and had exhaust on them..never had a problem...they were waaay louder than my muffler delete on my car.

anyways..no i didnt do my muffler delete because im starving for attention. i did it because "I" love the subaru sound.

if you guys want to see and hear it its on youtube

YouTube - 08 sti

dont make fun of my launches im still learnin lol

 

A few months of training and they think they are the law. Oh well, someone's gotta do it. Hey, if you got caught pay up. Plead not guilty if you have a good defense.
Lotsa cop suckers here as well. Move this thread to NASIOC.
I don't dislike cops in general but each of them represents the institution and makes it look dumb. If there is better accountability like for every ticket reversed, it gets deducted from their paycheck. Heck, I lose my license if I make bad judgements in my profession.

 

If there is better accountability like for every ticket reversed, it gets deducted from their paycheck. Heck, I lose my license if I make bad judgements in my profession.

So if the ticket goes thru do they get that money in their paycheck?

That said, your suggestion is completely ludicrous. I've seen expired tab tickets dropped on the judges lienancy alone. Just because a ticket is reversed doesn't mean it wasn't valid.

 

So question... Is the spt exhaust according to the "books" illegal?

 

No it should be okay if installed before time of delivery...

So if the ticket goes thru do they get that money in their paycheck?

That said, your suggestion is completely ludicrous. I've seen expired tab tickets dropped on the judges lienancy alone. Just because a ticket is reversed doesn't mean it wasn't valid.

I agree with you 110% some people are clueless!