WRX STi in SOLO (I & II) Competition
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·What is the reason? What about about SOLO1? I can not remember which one is Autocross. Please set me straight if you can. Do you have a link to this info?WRXhauls said:
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread...
Go to yahoo groups and check out streettouring. It is a very popular and active group with national level soloII competition. It is also monitored by a couple of the advisory board members that makes suggestions to the official rules committee.
It was not stated as fact - but it was to be a very strong likely hood, that the STI (and EVO) would be treated as a limited production higher performance variant of a car that is already class competitive (same as BMW M3), and specifically excluded due to its potential overdog status.
Go to yahoo groups and check out streettouring. It is a very popular and active group with national level soloII competition. It is also monitored by a couple of the advisory board members that makes suggestions to the official rules committee.
It was not stated as fact - but it was to be a very strong likely hood, that the STI (and EVO) would be treated as a limited production higher performance variant of a car that is already class competitive (same as BMW M3), and specifically excluded due to its potential overdog status.
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·Split STi with Rack
This thread is worthy of standing on its own. I have a feeling we will be coming back to this over and over again.
This thread is worthy of standing on its own. I have a feeling we will be coming back to this over and over again.
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·[Split] Racing the STi in SOLO (I & II) Competition
Does this mean that we will have to enter our STi's in the modified class?
Does this mean that we will have to enter our STi's in the modified class?
STX class SOLO II and the STi
Doesn't the SOLO II regulations regarding car modifications consider cars purchased from factory as stock? Can STi be considered a factory tuner just like AMG and M? It was under my understanding that since the STi is being sold by Subaru dealers as another model of the WRX, that it would be considered factory stock. I just ran my rookie year in my straight stock WRX - I hope that running the STi wouldn't bump me up to another class where I might be more out of my league in regards to experience.
Doesn't the SOLO II regulations regarding car modifications consider cars purchased from factory as stock? Can STi be considered a factory tuner just like AMG and M? It was under my understanding that since the STi is being sold by Subaru dealers as another model of the WRX, that it would be considered factory stock. I just ran my rookie year in my straight stock WRX - I hope that running the STi wouldn't bump me up to another class where I might be more out of my league in regards to experience.
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Since there was more interest in this topic, I pulled the messages from the streettouring archives. If I understand correctly, the STAC is the street touring advisory committee that makes recommendations to the SEB (solo e? board) for final decisions.
As for the stock, or SP classes, I haven't heard anything. I believe that if a model sells 1000 units, it is considered as a separate model (ITR exception). See http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/ for more unofficial classing info.
At 11:08 PM 10/24/02 +0000, you wrote:
>When will we know if the Mitsu Evo and Subie STI will be allowed in >STX?
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As I have stated before, these cars will _not_ be allowed in STX.
See earlier posts for details.
Vince Bly STAC
At 01:35 PM 8/2/02 +0000, Imprez99 wrote:
>Quick question to the powers that be:
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>Are you planning on allowing the STi and EVO VIII once they get
here
>into STX?
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>Thanks,
>KC
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As a small portion of the powers that be, my short answer is _NO_.
I would strongly support excluding both for the same reason that
six-cylinder M3's are excluded--they are too fast (or at least are
expected to be) relative to the core of STX. I see the core of STX
as the Integra Type R, the BMW E30 M3, and the Subaru WRX.
Both the Type R and the E30 M3 are factory hot rods. The WRX
is not quite as nimble as the hot rods but has more power. I see
these three as a fair fight. Of course there are others which, if
well prepared and driven, may surprise us--and that's Ok. Like
I said, from the information I have, the STi and EVO VIII would
likely be overdogs and ruin a good thing.
BTW: I am against allowing 2-seater cars into STX now. Whether
they would dominate or not, many people think they might and
that decreases the number of people willing to build a car for STX,
just when it needs to grow into a real class.
- rant mode _OFF_
Vince Bly STAC
Since there was more interest in this topic, I pulled the messages from the streettouring archives. If I understand correctly, the STAC is the street touring advisory committee that makes recommendations to the SEB (solo e? board) for final decisions.
As for the stock, or SP classes, I haven't heard anything. I believe that if a model sells 1000 units, it is considered as a separate model (ITR exception). See http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/ for more unofficial classing info.
At 11:08 PM 10/24/02 +0000, you wrote:
>When will we know if the Mitsu Evo and Subie STI will be allowed in >STX?
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As I have stated before, these cars will _not_ be allowed in STX.
See earlier posts for details.
Vince Bly STAC
At 01:35 PM 8/2/02 +0000, Imprez99 wrote:
>Quick question to the powers that be:
>
>Are you planning on allowing the STi and EVO VIII once they get
here
>into STX?
>
>Thanks,
>KC
=====================================
As a small portion of the powers that be, my short answer is _NO_.
I would strongly support excluding both for the same reason that
six-cylinder M3's are excluded--they are too fast (or at least are
expected to be) relative to the core of STX. I see the core of STX
as the Integra Type R, the BMW E30 M3, and the Subaru WRX.
Both the Type R and the E30 M3 are factory hot rods. The WRX
is not quite as nimble as the hot rods but has more power. I see
these three as a fair fight. Of course there are others which, if
well prepared and driven, may surprise us--and that's Ok. Like
I said, from the information I have, the STi and EVO VIII would
likely be overdogs and ruin a good thing.
BTW: I am against allowing 2-seater cars into STX now. Whether
they would dominate or not, many people think they might and
that decreases the number of people willing to build a car for STX,
just when it needs to grow into a real class.
- rant mode _OFF_
Vince Bly STAC
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·MYSTI, I hear you on not wanting to be bumped into one of the modified classes. I am intending to start my rookie year in the STi, but it will be tough if I can't stay in a Stock class.
WRXhauls, would you be willing to "Cut and Paste" some of the thread here for those who don't belong to Yahoo groups? Ha your post was telepathic. You posted the answer before I could ask the favor. 8) Thanks.WRXhauls said:
A little note to everyone...
That Vince Bly guy is AGAINST AWD cars. This is the same guy that told me three years ago that they were kicking the RS's out of STS because they "were overdogs". And guess what they are doing now...
On the same note, I think both the STi and EVO would be overdogs in STX, so it would probably be best to exclude them, and I agree with the STAC. I don't agree with kicking the RS out of STS, though, but that's another issue. NO WAY would I run a modded RS with street tires against a WRX with the same mods in STX. The RS drivers, if this happens will certainly move classes. But again, different story. :-?
They better not exclude them out of SM, though, because that's where I want to run.
If they classify it in AS or SS, you will have a better index in SM anyway, even if you keep it stock. As far as stock class goes, the STi and EVO seem to have BS written all over them in my humble opinion...
That Vince Bly guy is AGAINST AWD cars. This is the same guy that told me three years ago that they were kicking the RS's out of STS because they "were overdogs". And guess what they are doing now...
On the same note, I think both the STi and EVO would be overdogs in STX, so it would probably be best to exclude them, and I agree with the STAC. I don't agree with kicking the RS out of STS, though, but that's another issue. NO WAY would I run a modded RS with street tires against a WRX with the same mods in STX. The RS drivers, if this happens will certainly move classes. But again, different story. :-?
They better not exclude them out of SM, though, because that's where I want to run.
If they classify it in AS or SS, you will have a better index in SM anyway, even if you keep it stock. As far as stock class goes, the STi and EVO seem to have BS written all over them in my humble opinion...
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To the So Cal guys out there: Where would I go to race my WRX on a track?
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·JJ, I agree B Stock (BS) looks like a good home for the STi, but not B Street Prepared (BSP).
Yes: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2002/stockc.html
No: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2002/stprepc.html
SnowbordrWRX:
SCCA has regular Autocross events at Qualcom Stadium in San Diego. There are probably others in orange and or LA counties too. Check out http://www.scca.org/getstarted/divisions.html
Yes: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2002/stockc.html
No: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2002/stprepc.html
SnowbordrWRX:
SCCA has regular Autocross events at Qualcom Stadium in San Diego. There are probably others in orange and or LA counties too. Check out http://www.scca.org/getstarted/divisions.html
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Thanks ScoobyDo!
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·You bring up a very good point, driver competence. That is the biggest variable in the any of the classes, since the classes are based on vehicle capability not on driver ability.91TB78 said:
Anyway, if the STi is classified well the answer to your question is "yes".
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·I am just into Autocross for fun and the adrenaline rush too. I am planning on racing the STi by this time next year, or sooner hopefully.
It's official - STI will be excluded from STX.
http://www.scca.org/news/fastrack/03-02.pdf page F-25
http://www.scca.org/news/fastrack/03-02.pdf page F-25
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