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Let me say first I am following all break-in rules...

Understeer? Really, because I couldn't find any today. I did feel a neutral handling car with some oversteer tendancies actually. Well, I guess I must take my STi in to the dealer, since apparently something isn't right. It isn't understeering at all?? It's really sharp, as sharp or sharper than my RS with full suspension. Feels like it's on rails. Something must be wrong. Must take into dealer... :roll: :roll: :oops: :D
 
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Let me say first I am following all break-in rules...

Understeer? Really, because I couldn't find any today. I did feel a neutral handling car with some oversteer tendancies actually. Well, I guess I must take my STi in to the dealer, since apparently something isn't right. It isn't understeering at all?? It's really sharp, as sharp or sharper than my RS with full suspension. Feels like it's on rails. Something must be wrong. Must take into dealer... :roll: :roll: :oops: :D
That is great news! Did you have the DCCD set on automatic?
 

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$8000 over MSRP in Lancaster, CA

You can't trust these magazines that label every car with "moderate understeer." Every car under certain driving conditions with exhibit understeer.
 

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Right on, JJ. A quick check of C&D indicates that Mitsubishi had three ad pages plus an expensive insert - right after the comparo - whereas Subaru had only one ad page in a cheaper part of the magazine. The STi had to finish second.
 

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i've heard some mags say that it understeers slightly at the extreme limits... but wouldnt anycar understeer at extreme limits?
 

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Found the perfect place to play. There is a great industrial park near where I live that has no one around on Sundays. A lot of winding roads and offices mixed in. So there were parking lots with a lot of ins and outs, short turns, places for longer roads, and places to test those wonderful brakes. Oh did I have fun for a couple of hours. And know what? No understeer and I tried. I was doing figure eights, circles, and anything else I could think of. There are some long access roads to the place that I took at high speeds with the dccd in auto and still didn't get any understeer. Made myself nauseous but had a blast. And kept the rpms below 4000. Find an industrial park on a Sunday=its great fun! Hey JJ glad to see you finally got your car!SFRinNJ
 

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unfortunately, that is illegal in michigan. :( i know cuz i was doing donuts in the fresh snow on campus at UM when a student. as i was finishing and about to exist the lot, a campus police stopped me. he said state law considers that reckless driving and let me off with a warning. i don't to donuts etc anywhere now.
 

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JJ said:
Understeer? Really, because I couldn't find any today...
yeah, they did say throttle-off understeer. i couldn't find any myself. it seems the nose tucked in (or there was a slight tendency to oversteer) when i lifted in a sweeper. i was no where near the limit, so who knows.
 

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JJ said:
Understeer? Really, because I couldn't find any today...
yeah, they did say throttle-off understeer. i couldn't find any myself. it seems the nose tucked in (or there was a slight tendency to oversteer) when i lifted in a sweeper, which seems natural. i was no where near the limit, so who knows.
 

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There's definitely no off-throttle understeer in this car....they must have been mistaken. I noticed in a sweeper letting off the throttle made the rear rotate perfectly.

On the other hand....a lot of people have said that haven't found any understeer on the throttle either under 4K RPM.....that must be why. Once you get into the higher rev range, at full throttle, it does understeer noticibly....especially with the DCCD in auto. I did get to play around with the DCCD the other day and found that pushing the torque to the rear with the DCCD in manual is a great way to get rid of a lot of understeer.

Has anyone else who is past the break-in found this to be true?
 

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I picked up my STI last thursday , i drove it home and parked it till sunday, had a track day booked and decided that a new car has to broken in before i run it at the track, I took my s-2000 honda, when i got home sunday took the sti out for a run, car feels tight and responsive, when i pushed it into some tight turns, didnt feel the oversteer they were mentioning, will put some miles on it and take it to the track and see where it stands, currently making some screens for the front grill openings, to keep out the trash :wink: :wink:
 

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Definately no understeer. Twice during hard cornering w/ moderate acceleration I have slight oversteer.
Today in the rain leaving the bank I had major oversteer. About 30 degrees. A lot of oposite lock was required to bring it back.
This has all been done with the DCCD in auto.

When you lay into a corner and use 1/2+ throttle you can feel the DCCD adjust and spit the car around the corner. This is in the 4-5K range.
 

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It seems some of the reveiwers backed off when they nailed a corner too hot got a dose of understeer and reported back that the car understeer too much at the limit. Truth seems to be (VWvortex etc) that if you just keep your foot in it the DCCD sorts it out and you claw right out of the turn.
You guys seem to back this up!

Trust in the DCCD at the limit and it seems you can fly around pretty fast. :D

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pk! said:
It seems some of the reveiwers backed off when they nailed a corner too hot got a dose of understeer and reported back that the car understeer too much at the limit. Truth seems to be (VWvortex etc) that if you just keep your foot in it the DCCD sorts it out and you claw right out of the turn.
You guys seem to back this up!

Trust in the DCCD at the limit and it seems you can fly around pretty fast. :D

pk!
You have to have a lot of trust in your car to do that though.
 

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I can't believe that the rev range is what makes the difference in the understeer issue. Either the car is going to have it or not. And I can't believe that while most of us are trying to abide by the 4000rpm break-in recommendation, some of us have pushed the limits from time to time. I have been on the highway and in that industrial (don't know if it is illegal in NJ, and I wasn't doing donuts, just alot of ins and outs and other things) park. So it seems that what= road conditions or throttle play into it? It just makes no sense? I would be interested in opinions. I don't know what to look for.SFRinNJ
 

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Today in the rain leaving the bank I had major oversteer. About 30 degrees.
yeah, turning right at an intersection to day on my way to work, i hung it out in the dry. no traffic, easily recovered, but man it happened so quickly. at times, i forget and drive it like my old 140hp car. :(
 

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I agree, I think this DCCD thing actually works well. I am impressed. It must be at work when I have had the pedal matted on a corner the whole way thru. In fact, backing of feels worse. I will really be interested to see how hard this car can be driven on the track once we are used to the DCCD.
 

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I can't wait to get my car!

My only point of reference is my old 4000cs quattro. With that car the awd system was like a trusted friend! You could feel it "working" around a turn. It felt best on power!

Damn I can't wait :evil:

pk!
 
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