Get the accessport first. Then flash stage 1. Buy your TBE and intake. Put those on. Flash stage 2. Then get a pro tune. That's what I did and I couldn't be happier
Upgrade path... Do I have this correct?
Hey everyone,
Recently got my STi and it is bone stock. I would like to get it to stage 2 and likely leave it at that... as it's just my daily driver.
My main question is this... You need an access port (or a real tune) before installing a turbo back exhaust right? You have to go in order with this?
I guess I plan on getting COBB AP, then AEM CAI to go with the cobb off the shelf map, and then finish up with a turbo back exhaust. This would bring me to stage 2 correct?
Thanks!
Recently got my STi and it is bone stock. I would like to get it to stage 2 and likely leave it at that... as it's just my daily driver.
My main question is this... You need an access port (or a real tune) before installing a turbo back exhaust right? You have to go in order with this?
I guess I plan on getting COBB AP, then AEM CAI to go with the cobb off the shelf map, and then finish up with a turbo back exhaust. This would bring me to stage 2 correct?
Thanks!
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is the pro tune much better than the cobb flash?
Infinitely. Cobb's maps are nothing but base maps.
is the pro tune much better than the cobb flash?
Yes definitely because it will be perfect for your car
You are in luck too. You are only 1 hour away from one of the, if not the, best subaru tuner. Mike at Innovative Tuning in Buffalo, NY
To clarify, if you were buying the parts and installing separately, you could do it in the order you describe. In other words, you don't have to wait to re-tune until you have both the intake and the exhaust, you could re-tune after installing each. If you are using the base maps, this re-tuning is "free" as the Cobb has AEM and Cobb SF intake maps for both stage 1 and 2.
Further clarification: This is a feasible mod path:
1) Buy Cobb AP
2) Install included Stage 1 tune of choice (91, ACN91, 93, low boost, high boost, etc.)
3) Buy intake or TBE
4) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake stage 1, stock intake + TBE stage 2, 91 octane, 93 octane, etc.)
5) Install intake or exhaust, flash corresponding map from step 4.
6) Buy the remaining part (intake or TBE)
7) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
8) Install the remaining part (intake or exhaust), flash corresponding map from step 7.
9) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Further clarification: This is a feasible mod path:
1) Buy Cobb AP
2) Install included Stage 1 tune of choice (91, ACN91, 93, low boost, high boost, etc.)
3) Buy intake or TBE
4) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake stage 1, stock intake + TBE stage 2, 91 octane, 93 octane, etc.)
5) Install intake or exhaust, flash corresponding map from step 4.
6) Buy the remaining part (intake or TBE)
7) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
8) Install the remaining part (intake or exhaust), flash corresponding map from step 7.
9) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Alternatively, you could buy the intake and TBE together and simplify the steps like so:To clarify............
1) Buy Cobb AP
2) Install included Stage 1 tune of choice (91, ACN91, 93, low boost, high boost, etc.)
3) Buy intake & TBE
4) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
5) Install the parts, flash corresponding map from step 4.
6) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Or, you could buy all three together and do this:
1) Buy Cobb AP & intake & TBE
2) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
3) Install the parts, flash corresponding map from step 2.
4) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Obviously, the method you choose depends on your cash flow. The good news is that there are enough free and downloadable maps from Cobb to cover all three scenarios, so that you can enjoy your parts right away.
correct me if im wrong but ive heard bad things about cobb stage 2 OTS maps and CAIs...
My advice bc I bought my AP before my downpipe and exhaust and didn't even flash stage 1...I had my intake sitting in my closet waiting for the funds to install everything at once then get protuned... I don't even trust the Cobb OTS maps with the accessport enough to risk a problem with a brand new motor on my 13...I waited, installed everything within a week of being protuned, stayed out of boost and am happy to say that the car runs amazing and I know I did it safe and the right way
Or he can just skip the whole buying an AP part.Alternatively, you could buy the intake and TBE together and simplify the steps like so:
1) Buy Cobb AP
2) Install included Stage 1 tune of choice (91, ACN91, 93, low boost, high boost, etc.)
3) Buy intake & TBE
4) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
5) Install the parts, flash corresponding map from step 4.
6) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Or, you could buy all three together and do this:
1) Buy Cobb AP & intake & TBE
2) Download corresponding Cobb map (AEM intake + TBE stage 2 91, SF intake + TBE stage 2 91, etc.)
3) Install the parts, flash corresponding map from step 2.
4) Optional & Highly Recommended: Take your car to a pro-tuner and get a Stage 2 Pro-Tune installed.
Obviously, the method you choose depends on your cash flow. The good news is that there are enough free and downloadable maps from Cobb to cover all three scenarios, so that you can enjoy your parts right away.
Not to mention that Cobb's OTS maps can be incredibly dangerous. Heavy detonation has been logged on more than just one car running their maps.
Sweet! I go out to Buffalo on occasion for work. I'll be sure to remember that thanks.Yes definitely because it will be perfect for your car
You are in luck too. You are only 1 hour away from on of the, if not the, best subaru tuner. Mike at Innovative Tuning in Buffalo, NY
I was under the impression that you need to flash the ECU whenever you upgrade the exhaust and CAI? This true? I probably won't be able to afford the exhaust, CAI and a pro tune all at one time.Or he can just skip the whole buying an AP part.
Not to mention that Cobb's OTS maps can be incredibly dangerous. Heavy detonation has been logged on more than just one car running their maps.
Also- what do the cobb 93 maps do? Just make the vehicle more fuel efficient when running 93?
Re: Re: Upgrade path... Do I have this correct?
The Cobb OTS maps are nowhere as good as even the most basic pro-tune.
My Cobb OTS vs Pro Tune:
CamTuning by mtnbikr1, on Flickr
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I would disagree with that as having the AP for its ability to datalog is pretty valuable.Or he can just skip the whole buying an AP part.
The Cobb OTS maps are nowhere as good as even the most basic pro-tune.
My Cobb OTS vs Pro Tune:
CamTuning by mtnbikr1, on Flickr
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
You do, however there are other choices, including ones which require you do purchase nothing but the tune.I was under the impression that you need to flash the ECU whenever you upgrade the exhaust and CAI? This true? I probably won't be able to afford the exhaust, CAI and a pro tune all at one time.
Also- what do the cobb 93 maps do? Just make the vehicle more fuel efficient when running 93?
The AP provides incomplete data logging. You need a laptop and AccessTuner in order to get full results. The AP itself is nothing but a novelty device. Almost all of the functions (anything non-Subaru ECU specific) can be performed, read, and displayed by a $5 iPhone or Android App. As far as using it for gauges, you should be getting separate physical gauges for the meaning full data.I would disagree with that as having the AP for its ability to datalog is pretty valuable.
Some additional thoughts:
The AP is a good easy to use tool, not perfect but good. You can buy used unmarried units for 1/2 the new price. OTS maps are iffy but ok as a temporary setup after installing TBE or CIA.
Personally, I keep the stock airbox on a stage II, the CIA will be noisy but will give a little better max hp readings if that's what you're looking for.
Pro-tune is great/best way to go, but there are some really good e-tuners that will give you a good safe tune with performance above OTS maps and below a pro-tune.....but its a $120 cost vs $500.
If you're going to run a catless dp and a CIA on stage II suggest installing an EBCS to ensure no boost creep and to tailor boost settings on an e-tune or pro-tune.
Stage II tunes are generally ok with stock injectors and fuel pump. However, as you start approaching 350whp you'll need to upgrade both to ensure some safety margin.
The AP is a good easy to use tool, not perfect but good. You can buy used unmarried units for 1/2 the new price. OTS maps are iffy but ok as a temporary setup after installing TBE or CIA.
Personally, I keep the stock airbox on a stage II, the CIA will be noisy but will give a little better max hp readings if that's what you're looking for.
Pro-tune is great/best way to go, but there are some really good e-tuners that will give you a good safe tune with performance above OTS maps and below a pro-tune.....but its a $120 cost vs $500.
If you're going to run a catless dp and a CIA on stage II suggest installing an EBCS to ensure no boost creep and to tailor boost settings on an e-tune or pro-tune.
Stage II tunes are generally ok with stock injectors and fuel pump. However, as you start approaching 350whp you'll need to upgrade both to ensure some safety margin.
Some additional thoughts:
The AP is a good easy to use tool, not perfect but good. You can buy used unmarried units for 1/2 the new price. OTS maps are iffy but ok as a temporary setup after installing TBE or CIA.
Personally, I keep the stock airbox on a stage II, the CIA will be noisy but will give a little better max hp readings if that's what you're looking for.
Pro-tune is great/best way to go, but there are some really good e-tuners that will give you a good safe tune with performance above OTS maps and below a pro-tune.....but its a $120 cost vs $500.
If you're going to run a catless dp and a CIA on stage II suggest installing an EBCS to ensure no boost creep and to tailor boost settings on an e-tune or pro-tune.
Stage II tunes are generally ok with stock injectors and fuel pump. However, as you start approaching 350whp you'll need to upgrade both to ensure some safety margin.
:lol: awesome.
But yeah, of course pro-tune is better, and yes, there are other cheaper ways to tune than the AP. However, I was focusing on OP's inquiry about the path to mod, and I think the three options provided should help in that regard, given his/her listed desired parts.
But yeah, of course pro-tune is better, and yes, there are other cheaper ways to tune than the AP. However, I was focusing on OP's inquiry about the path to mod, and I think the three options provided should help in that regard, given his/her listed desired parts.
Cool.
I think i'm just going to get the parts and go with the pro tune.
So is the general consensus that you are OK to run stage 2 with all other stock parts? Or is it really the best idea to upgrade injectors/fuel pump? Anything else I am missing?
Thanks for all the help everyone.
I think i'm just going to get the parts and go with the pro tune.
So is the general consensus that you are OK to run stage 2 with all other stock parts? Or is it really the best idea to upgrade injectors/fuel pump? Anything else I am missing?
Thanks for all the help everyone.
Stage 2 just needs a downpipe and OTS/pro tune.Cool.
I think i'm just going to get the parts and go with the pro tune.
So is the general consensus that you are OK to run stage 2 with all other stock parts? Or is it really the best idea to upgrade injectors/fuel pump? Anything else I am missing?
Thanks for all the help everyone.
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