To wait, or not to wait........
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Stock STi Vs WRX
Add 38-50 Horsepower
Add """"""" More Torque
Add Bigger Turbo
Add Bigger Intercooler
Add """"""""""" Waterspray
Add Titanium Springs, Semi-Closed-Deck Block, Hollow Intake Valves, etc
Add 6-Speed Transmission
Add Brembo Brakes
Add STi Struts/Springs/Bushings
Add Suede race-seats
should I go on....
JJ
Add 38-50 Horsepower
Add """"""" More Torque
Add Bigger Turbo
Add Bigger Intercooler
Add """"""""""" Waterspray
Add Titanium Springs, Semi-Closed-Deck Block, Hollow Intake Valves, etc
Add 6-Speed Transmission
Add Brembo Brakes
Add STi Struts/Springs/Bushings
Add Suede race-seats
should I go on....
JJ
Well the time has come, the master brake cylinder of my celica supra went out, and I rear ended a chevy. Just put a nice trailer hitch stamp on the front bumper. Im trying to talk my dad into cosigning a WRX (yes, im only 16) So, wish me luck.
yes, but...
alf, when 3 camaros race by you on the highway at over 130mph and then one wipes out taking out a van on the one side and a truck with people very close to it b/c its stalled on the other side of the highway. then you run up to the car still purring in 6th sitting still, look around the inside and the ONLY, and i mean ONLY thing not broken in the car is a bottle of Jack Daniels. then driver dies, you revive him, and then dies when the paramedics get there. when that happens you learn to appreciate life at slower speeds, not that i go sss--lll--oo--oooowwww, but i sure as fuk dont go F-F-FAST unless its on a track.
Go-Fast or Dont-Go - with that train of thought tell me what would last longer, a STi that was revved to 9000rpm or one that never went over 6000rpm? the 6000rpm motor would always last longer, minus user error. just an example as to why faster isnt always better. it is MOO (my own oppinion) but i dont wanna hear about a forum buddy gettin killed by goin to fast.
Go-Fast or Dont-Go --- sounds like something Vin Diesle said in the fat and infuriated (fast and the furious).
"i live life a quater mile at a time. in those 10 seconds (yeah fukin right) or less im alive....its either Go-Fast or Dont-Go"
how about Go-Fast or Go-Home.
at least that follows the formula.
sorry dude, but life aint all about speed. i think most here agree.
alf, when 3 camaros race by you on the highway at over 130mph and then one wipes out taking out a van on the one side and a truck with people very close to it b/c its stalled on the other side of the highway. then you run up to the car still purring in 6th sitting still, look around the inside and the ONLY, and i mean ONLY thing not broken in the car is a bottle of Jack Daniels. then driver dies, you revive him, and then dies when the paramedics get there. when that happens you learn to appreciate life at slower speeds, not that i go sss--lll--oo--oooowwww, but i sure as fuk dont go F-F-FAST unless its on a track.
Go-Fast or Dont-Go - with that train of thought tell me what would last longer, a STi that was revved to 9000rpm or one that never went over 6000rpm? the 6000rpm motor would always last longer, minus user error. just an example as to why faster isnt always better. it is MOO (my own oppinion) but i dont wanna hear about a forum buddy gettin killed by goin to fast.
Go-Fast or Dont-Go --- sounds like something Vin Diesle said in the fat and infuriated (fast and the furious).
"i live life a quater mile at a time. in those 10 seconds (yeah fukin right) or less im alive....its either Go-Fast or Dont-Go"
how about Go-Fast or Go-Home.
at least that follows the formula.
sorry dude, but life aint all about speed. i think most here agree.
BuDDyLeE:
1. Apparently your definition of fast is more than 120 miles per hour. Mine is between 70 and 90. 100 plus is excessively fast.
2. Anybody stupid enough to do 130 on a freeway with any kind of traffic should not be driving at all.
3. Please don't chop up my name.
Please get all the facts straight before lecturing on highway etiquette. I agree that life isn't all about speed, but if you don't carefully cut loose once in a while what fun is life?
1. Apparently your definition of fast is more than 120 miles per hour. Mine is between 70 and 90. 100 plus is excessively fast.
2. Anybody stupid enough to do 130 on a freeway with any kind of traffic should not be driving at all.
3. Please don't chop up my name.
Please get all the facts straight before lecturing on highway etiquette. I agree that life isn't all about speed, but if you don't carefully cut loose once in a while what fun is life?
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i agree, if you can drive your car at 130 on the highway even with no one on it at the time, tha car doesn't belong on the freeway. Those roads are designed for speeds of 60-70 mph. If you double that, not only are you damaging the taxpayers' roads, but if you lose traction ina tire, and even if you were a pro driver, you've got no way to stop. Racing is for the track, period. speeding (70-90) is for the thrill seekers of the road. Ever wonder why burn-outs are illegal? Its not that they worried for your life, but they're worried for the semi or the old minivan that doesn't have the traction you do when they hit that slick spot you've now created. I just need to say, keep the racing off the streets.
OK, now that ive vented i need to ask this because it's been on my mind. I've been looking at all these aerodynamucs accessories, mufflers, and hoods. What is the relationship between automotive grade steel and carbon fibre in weight and strength? And secondly is it cost effective if you dont need the weight.
OK, now that ive vented i need to ask this because it's been on my mind. I've been looking at all these aerodynamucs accessories, mufflers, and hoods. What is the relationship between automotive grade steel and carbon fibre in weight and strength? And secondly is it cost effective if you dont need the weight.
carbon fiber has a higher strength to weight ratio than all grades of steel. I believe even higher than aluminum, maybe even titanium.
the one problem with the non-steel options (Ti, Al, Carbon) is that they all have a greater tendency fail catastrophically (crack) at the limit. Steel has a better modulus of elasticity. (material science is a little rusty so correct me if I am wrong). when metal starts to fail it can still be corrected (elastic deformation). when when carbon starts to deform you are way out at the limit and it breaks. one example: carbon fiber tubed bikes (esp Mt bikes) mountain bikers have to be really careful that a chip in their frame can be the source of catastrophic frame failure (the whole bike breaks). on the other hand a bend in a steel frame might not have much effect on the short term strength.
You said:
Is it cost effective if you don't need the weight?
I think only the person paying the money can really determine if its cost effective. Personally I prefer aluminum or titanium alloys. this question is tossed around in any hi-tech engineering group doing any engineering, and each person has their opinion. as far as not needing the weight. there are not many street cars that do with a little weight loss especially in the area of build materials. But then again F1 cars and fighter planes are costlier for it.
the one problem with the non-steel options (Ti, Al, Carbon) is that they all have a greater tendency fail catastrophically (crack) at the limit. Steel has a better modulus of elasticity. (material science is a little rusty so correct me if I am wrong). when metal starts to fail it can still be corrected (elastic deformation). when when carbon starts to deform you are way out at the limit and it breaks. one example: carbon fiber tubed bikes (esp Mt bikes) mountain bikers have to be really careful that a chip in their frame can be the source of catastrophic frame failure (the whole bike breaks). on the other hand a bend in a steel frame might not have much effect on the short term strength.
You said:
Is it cost effective if you don't need the weight?
I think only the person paying the money can really determine if its cost effective. Personally I prefer aluminum or titanium alloys. this question is tossed around in any hi-tech engineering group doing any engineering, and each person has their opinion. as far as not needing the weight. there are not many street cars that do with a little weight loss especially in the area of build materials. But then again F1 cars and fighter planes are costlier for it.
Well, I put up this topic because I dont want to be dissapointed. If I get the WRX, then a few months later the STI comes out, and Im like dang, I want that. I dont want that to happen. So Im just trying to get most peoples opinion and try to figure out what best fits my needs. I tend to open it up when i see a nice car, and I crashed because my brakes failed, so Im leaning towards the STI with more power, and Brembo brakes. If someone can, lead me to a link or list ALL of the advantages of the STI. I just dont want to be dissapointed. The WRX is great, but as far as I know, the STI WRX is awesome. Thanks
Michael
Michael
Look around the website there is a ton of information on the STi's from Japan, Europe and Australia. If it is not apparent that they are, in their respective countries, entirely different cars from the WRX, you missed something important.
If you read all of that and you still think you will be dissappointed, than this is not the car for you.
As far as your driving style, give it up. :evil: You will regret it when you kill yourself or someone else.
Any part of anything can fail anytime. Case in point: Space Shuttle Challenger. Since you are too young to remember it check out:
http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/mission-51-l.html
If you think anything is going to save your butt from bad luck, think again.
If you read all of that and you still think you will be dissappointed, than this is not the car for you.
As far as your driving style, give it up. :evil: You will regret it when you kill yourself or someone else.
Any part of anything can fail anytime. Case in point: Space Shuttle Challenger. Since you are too young to remember it check out:
http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/mission-51-l.html
If you think anything is going to save your butt from bad luck, think again.
I dont need your praises here. I just want a nice car. I dont race, AND I NEVER WILL, my mom works for the police depatment, and always brings back horror stories to keep me from the worst. So I know how you are, trying to keep us younger irresponsible kids away from bad things, but let me tell you this, maybe you can still learn something. I can take care of myself, and my DADDY isnt buying this car for me, so I want to make sure I do the right thing. Keep your praises elsewhere, I just want something comfortable, punchy when I need it, and a little bit of showoff. Thanks
P.S. You really should be a nice person and keep your :evil: demon eyes elsewhere, I'm being kind, your like a gypsie, and trying to get me killed or something. Scary.
P.S. You really should be a nice person and keep your :evil: demon eyes elsewhere, I'm being kind, your like a gypsie, and trying to get me killed or something. Scary.
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Unless I'm mistaken, carbon fibre is a little more brittle than either aluminum or titanium. The molecules are very structured in carbon, and the macro-structure relies on the fact that the fibres are _woven_. I don't believe carbon is all that ductile (stretchy), so it's more prone to cracking or catastrophic failure.
Heat treated aluminum -- it usually is since aluminum isn't all that great at holding sharp edges -- is a touch more brittle than other metals such as steel (even steel with a rather high carbon content).
Titanium? Um... it's... uh... strong. That's all I know.
How does this apply to components? It depends on the stresses being applied (both mechanical and thermal).
Enough chemistry class; does anybody have any feedback on the optional carbon-fibre trim for the WRX / STi?
Heat treated aluminum -- it usually is since aluminum isn't all that great at holding sharp edges -- is a touch more brittle than other metals such as steel (even steel with a rather high carbon content).
Titanium? Um... it's... uh... strong. That's all I know.
How does this apply to components? It depends on the stresses being applied (both mechanical and thermal).
Enough chemistry class; does anybody have any feedback on the optional carbon-fibre trim for the WRX / STi?
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Well, thanks guys, I somewhat figuered out what I wanted. All I wanted to know is what is more comfortable, and more reliable. And I wanted to know if it would be a better value to get. So lets just cut this thread because its turning into something else. Thanks
Well, thanks guys, I somewhat figuered out what I wanted. All I wanted to know is what is more comfortable, and more reliable. And I wanted to know if it would be a better value to get. So lets just cut this thread because its turning into something else. Thanks
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