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Subaru is love.

Don’t you find this latest Subaru ad campaign just a little off-center? I mean, these are people famous for their WRC prowess.

Well, maybe there is a kind of truth in it, after all, as I shall relate to my dear reader.

I want to tell a tale of Subaru love. This story involves the saga of my son’s STi and the many experiences we have had with this car.

A pretty silver Subaru STi was first sold into use on in May of 2005 by a local Houston dealership. We bought this car from the same selling dealer, used, in 2007, as I recall. It had some minor cosmetic damage, but the dealership insisted that it warranted high retail pricing, but was unwilling to certify the vehicle as satisfactory used car.

That should have been my first warning.

My son was still a relatively new car driver, and the STi represented a move up from his first ride, a 2006 Civic LX, and his second ride, a 2007 Civic Si.

Although we were long-time Honda users, we had found that Honda’s quality had ‘changed’ over the years since we first bought an SE-I in 1985, and not for the better, so I was hoping that the reputation that the STi had for “toughness” was real.

To protect myself from the used-car-blues, I bought a 100k extended warranty from the salesman, to shelter me from the faults that might be present in the car.

In any case, the car drove well until about 56k miles, when it somehow managed to lose a rod bearing. So, knowing that I had warranty coverage, and that we had done our maintenance correctly up to this point, I took the car back to the closest Subaru dealership and made a warranty claim.

I’m sure you can guess: they denied the claim because the previous owner had been found to have abused the car, and so the maintenance record showed that the car had been flagged as a warranty ‘hot-potato’. My bad for not asking for that record; I thought I was covered by my warranty for my use.

Several months of discussions followed with SoA, and much to the credit of the honesty of the customer service gentleman with whom I spent many hours negotiating about this inconsistency, SoA decided to split the cost of the repair with me. It was, in hindsight, a good deal; I could have sued, and who knows what that might have resulted in.

I was in for quite a surprise, though. It turned out that this was the third replacement motor for this car, so my STi had, probably, been ‘abused’, even though none of the previous claims, by the original owner, for repair had been denied for such misuse.

This fourth motor lasted about 1900 miles before it, too, made bad noises in the night, resulting in yet another short block going in, this time under warranty, since not even an oil-change had fallen due yet.

The next motor fared a bit better, lasting about 5100 miles before it, too, started making an altogether familiar clanking noise. With my oil-change receipt in hand, I made yet another warranty claim.

This time, the dealership made a long-block replacement, trying to avoid the errors that had plagued the previous builds.

This motor did much better, and made it about 42k before it ate yet another rod bearing.

Fortunately, the car was only two blocks from my house when it got the ‘rod-bearing fever’ again, so it was but a short limp back to safety.

Well, now I am on my own, no warranty protection anymore, so I spend a big chunk of my own money to install yet another long-block. I even had the ECU replaced, to remove any ghosts from previous attempts to 'flash' new performance into the motor; it is bone stock, save for a great-sounding SPT intake and cat-back exhaust.

The car has a little over 105k on it now.

The great curiosity about all of this is that every Subaru service manager that I talked to about this last motor told me that my oil consumption rate of 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles was typical of STis. I found this to be an incredulous rate. Given their position, though, I could not make a claim for excessive oil consumption.

My only concern is that the pile of parts given back to me from my latest re-building dealer shows some very old, oil-leaking hoses, probably on the car from its original construction. I suspect that had they been replaced during any of the earlier mechanical repairs, this motor might have survived.

In my garage is a nice STi project motor, not yet opened, with all of the assorted parts left over from the latest build. It would probably make a nice basis for a rebuild, but I have no idea what lies inside that case. I’m not sure I have the stamina to try to do that, though. Maybe some enterprising soul on Craig’s List will take a chance on it.

In any case, I still find the 2005 STi to be Subaru’s best car ever, and the best of all STis before and since. It is also my first and last Subaru.

All that being said, I’ve got the Subaru-love religion: I check oil levels of my STi every day, and I make sure that all fluids are up to proper quantities. I am not seeing any oil-consumption problems at all during the break-in period. Nothing; the motor runs nicely and the oil levels remain topped-off.

I would not expect this from a motor whose rings have not even completely seated-in yet…but there it is, anyway.

One of these days, when my shattered bank-account shows signs of life again, I may get the little dear cleaned up at my favorite body-shop.

I do love driving this car!

So, I guess it is true after all; only fools fall in love.
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1. In any case, I still find the 2005 STi to be Subaru’s best car ever, and the best of all STis before and since. It is also my first and last Subaru.


2. I do love driving this car!

So, I guess it is true after all; only fools fall in love.
1. Completely agree!:tup:
2. Its not that only fools fall in love, but those in love often end up becoming fools. Love will do that and your only other option is to hate. And these cars are far to awesome for that. Good story by the way.
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Damn that is definitely a tumultuous relationship, glad you stuck through it :tup:

My experience has been all sunny on the other hand :) My Subaru appreciation post: http://www.iwsti.com/forums/3860748-post431.html
From your Nasioc thread

Definitely not something you see every day going through engines like that. I have never seen anyone go through more than 3 engines(they were highly modified though), let alone that many on a stock setup.

However, the industry standard of 1 qt per 1,000 is there. Some manufacturers are 1.1 qt per 600 miles and such.
So i gather you have lots of experience breaking-in new motors. I'm almost finished my first rebuild (broken oil pick-up tube followed 5 seconds later by rod #4 welded to crank!) Do you have any suggestions for the break-in?
So i gather you have lots of experience breaking-in new motors. I'm almost finished my first rebuild (broken oil pick-up tube followed 5 seconds later by rod #4 welded to crank!) Do you have any suggestions for the break-in?
I suggest that you DO NOT change the break-in oil early; let it run for the full oil-change interval, then change to the kind of oil you will run for the normal haul.

For instance, I am using normal, conventional oil for break-in, then I will shift, after the first oil-change, to a high-quality synthetic. I will keep that conventional oil until the first 5k miles, then change.

I find that the motor runs more smoothly if the motor has a chance to "break-down" the oil of the initial change. I had an earlier car where I changed oil every 1000 miles; it ran reliably but rough, the internals never had a chance to 'hone-in', and I regretted it ever since.

I set the rev-indicator to a 4k shift-point, and I regularly change the rpm point...do not lug the motor. I also try to avoid boost if possible, too.

However, you gotta take what I say with a grain of salt; many of my motors broke early, lol!!

I love that dopey car, anyway!

:lol:
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I am guessing that money isn't really an issue for you if you bought your son an STi. Stick a motor in and get rid of it, if it is causing you that much grief.
I am guessing that money isn't really an issue for you if you bought your son an STi. Stick a motor in and get rid of it, if it is causing you that much grief.
I'm not sure how you read that from my post. I had hoped to relate that:

1) it has been very difficult surviving the dealer-learning-curve for engine rebuilds; and
2) extended warranties aren't all they are cracked-up to be; and
3) others might benefit from this re-telling.

Really, I only meant to show that we've persevered through some pretty awful experiences with Subaru, mainly because we like this particular car so much.

Hence the title of my post, which was a play on Subaru's new ad campaign.

As for buying a used (and previously abused) STi for my son, well, we love him dearly, and that is why we put up with so much hardship and expense just to keep the Sooby around; he absolutely adores this car.

That's what good parents do, we believe.

Since I'm a school teacher, by trade, I am not exactly swimming in money anyway. Even less so now; I've so much $$$ invested in the car that we are going to have to drive that value out.

If I'd wanted to "Stick a motor in and get rid of it...", I sure wouldn't have posted this here.

I'm not ready to bail-out on the car, but I have decided to bail-out on the maker.
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I'm not ready to bail-out on the car, but I have decided to bail-out on the maker.
That is a shame really, but I don't think I can blame you. But outside of the WRX and STIs the engines are really quite reliable. And their are some WRX and STIs that live long and healthy lives on a signal engine, though that are hard to come by. I'm pushing almost 98k on mine at stage 2.
Well, the STi saga continues.

We've very carefully watched all fluid levels since we got the car back from SOA.

Curiously enough, we now have about 2k miles on the new motor, and it has not lost any measurable engine oil. So it appears that the dealership has learned how to rebuild a motor from that perspective.

Thank goodness for that; I recently found a thread that talks about STi bearing clearances being unusually tight, leading to premature bearing failure.

However, this poor STi has now developed a problem that I do not know how to troubleshoot.

It is not getting any fuel to the motor when the weather is cool-to-cold. That is, at-or-below about 70 degrees, it simply spins merrily by starter, but won't start at all, as if it is receiving no gasoline.

I checked fuses. All are good.

I suspect that it is an intermittent cold electrical short, perhaps from a fitting that is too loose or poorly connected.

The car has never done this since we bought it many years ago.

My guess is that, during the latest rebuild, something in the fuel delivery electrical circuitry did not get plugged in tightly. The car runs great if it starts in warmer conditions, but I cannot get it going now that we have regular cold-to-cool days.

Does anyone have any suggestions about where in the engine compartment the wiring harness connections for the fuel system can be found? I have a shop manual, but the drawings are kind of vague in the sense that they do not show where to look for the various multi-pin connectors.

I'm hoping to find the one that is loose, and end this latest nightmare.

Otherwise, the rebuild is performing well above our expectations. This is not such an alarming problem that I doubt the car's mechanical integrity; I just think a mechanic didn't get a good connection somewhere.

Any hints would be appreciated; obviously, I would rather run this potential problem down myself before I tow the car again.

Thanks in advance for the help!
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Not to pour salt on the wound, but, shouldn't you have gotten better records of the cars history from that dealership? Shame on them for selling you what appears to be a melon. But shame on you for not asking. I guess that's business as usual for a used car salesman.
Like I said in my first posting, I bought a 100k extended warranty for the used car; that should have protected me.

That the dealer who sold me the extended used-car warranty also knew that the car had been flagged for abuse was the reason that SoA shared the first repair costs with me. I think SoA agreed that the dealer should have been more forthcoming when they sold a warranty that they did not intend to honor.

SoA paid more than the insurance premium for the extended warranty in that repair, and I received my extended warranty premium back as well.

This was not my first used car purchase, so I DID take what I thought was a reasonable precaution against the "used-car-blues".

Right now, all I want to do is figure out what the latest mechanic left loose in my electrical wiring so I can get the car running again. It's still under the re-build warranty.

I guess I will have to wait for warmer weather.
Like I said in my first posting, I bought a 100k extended warranty for the used car; that should have protected me.

That the dealer who sold me the extended used-car warranty also knew that the car had been flagged for abuse was the reason that SoA shared the first repair costs with me. I think SoA agreed that the dealer should have been more forthcoming when they sold a warranty that they did not intend to honor.
I have a question. How did you know the dealer knew this?

The reason I ask is nobody knows that a vehicle has been flagged for abuse UNLESS a vehicle inquiry is ran in the service dept. Most service advisors do not do this on a used vehicle anyways and in my 10+ years doing this, I have never seen the used car dept ask for this. So it can easily be overlooked. Now I am not a finance dept guru when it comes to extended warranty applications process but when the application for your SAS warranty was submitted, they have to supply SOA the VIN. You would think SOA would have saw this and informed the dealer or the customer. The warranty the dealer sold you is an SOA warranty backed by Subaru and it is NOT the dealers to honor or deny. This solely rests on SOA! This is no different than the factory 3/36k warranty.
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