STi vs. evo VIII
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Price - Equal. The EVO should be about 5 or 6K less. However, the DCCD and 6 speed, plus larger displacement make them a close value.
After Market Mods - EVO hands down. The 4G63 has more parts and knowledgable tuners by far. The engine has been around since 1990.
Quality - Suby get the nod on this one. Reliablity rating by owners is higher I believe.
Performance - Stock STI should beat a stock EVO 8. Do not buy an STI if your motivation is to beat an EVO in the 1/4 mile. I guarantee the stock EVO will be modded quickly and you will see 350 to 400 hp EVO's before the STI hits our shores.
Resale - Probably the same?
Other Stuff...
The 4g63 is a proven design with tons of bolt on stuff to increase HP and torque. If you are a tuner or want to mod then get the EVO.
If you are not planning on modding then the STI is a clear choice in my mind. You get 300HP and 300ft/lb of torque plus a state of the art drive train and 6 speed transimission all with a warranty!!
Speedlimit........
After Market Mods - EVO hands down. The 4G63 has more parts and knowledgable tuners by far. The engine has been around since 1990.
Quality - Suby get the nod on this one. Reliablity rating by owners is higher I believe.
Performance - Stock STI should beat a stock EVO 8. Do not buy an STI if your motivation is to beat an EVO in the 1/4 mile. I guarantee the stock EVO will be modded quickly and you will see 350 to 400 hp EVO's before the STI hits our shores.
Resale - Probably the same?
Other Stuff...
The 4g63 is a proven design with tons of bolt on stuff to increase HP and torque. If you are a tuner or want to mod then get the EVO.
If you are not planning on modding then the STI is a clear choice in my mind. You get 300HP and 300ft/lb of torque plus a state of the art drive train and 6 speed transimission all with a warranty!!
Speedlimit........
1. Price- STi will likely be more expensive than the EVO. Expect no more then 33K though.
2. After Market- Well, since it's a DSM the EVO will have a stronger aftermarket. However, the Subaru aftermarket will continue to grow and become as strong if not stronger in the future IMHO.
3. Quality- Well, Mitsu is known as the American car company of Japan if that means anything to you. Subaru isn't a Lexus either, but the overall quality is much better IMHO.
4. Performance- If it was Japan or Europe- the edge would go to the EVO slightly. However, this is America and we are getting the best Impreza EVER built (except for the WRC car
). The STi has 30+ more Horsepower, a 6-speed transmission, more technology in the AWD system, and bigger rear brakes. The STi US-Spec will wipe the floor with the US Spec Evo, plain and simple.
5. Resale- See #3 above.
All IMHO...
2. After Market- Well, since it's a DSM the EVO will have a stronger aftermarket. However, the Subaru aftermarket will continue to grow and become as strong if not stronger in the future IMHO.
3. Quality- Well, Mitsu is known as the American car company of Japan if that means anything to you. Subaru isn't a Lexus either, but the overall quality is much better IMHO.
4. Performance- If it was Japan or Europe- the edge would go to the EVO slightly. However, this is America and we are getting the best Impreza EVER built (except for the WRC car
). The STi has 30+ more Horsepower, a 6-speed transmission, more technology in the AWD system, and bigger rear brakes. The STi US-Spec will wipe the floor with the US Spec Evo, plain and simple.5. Resale- See #3 above.
All IMHO...
They're having that discussion at evolutionm.net:miked801 said:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showth...5b10cb34a00d223d&threadid=11666&highlight=dsm
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I'm surprised it's taken this long after the announcement of both cars for this to become a topic (although it has been an ongoing topic in other threads, but not one that was specifically titled as such)
Most comments look alright, except one.....
Resale - STi will be higher if it indeed remains a limited production car. Mitsu is planning to saturate the market with every EVO it can sell. It'll become an expensive Grand Am as far as resale value (they'll be everywhere).
Resale - STi will be higher if it indeed remains a limited production car. Mitsu is planning to saturate the market with every EVO it can sell. It'll become an expensive Grand Am as far as resale value (they'll be everywhere).
As for performence mods, I have faith that Prodrive, Cobb Tuning and others will have some damn good packages out either at the release of the STi or within a few months of its release, and IMO it won't be long(prolly won't have to wait at all) befor the moded STi will be smokin' the moded evo viii.
Mods: Well the 4G63 is a really impressive engine with its cast iron block you could really push the boost, plus the engine has a longer history than the 2.5 engine the STi is using...BUT the STi engine is 500cc's larger. B/c of the STi's size vs the Evo's cast iron block..I would say equal, with the Evo having more support initially.
Quality: Hands down STi. Much better company, car, etc
Performance: STi stock, especially if they weigh about the same. On a track I would say it would depend on the driver.
Resale: If SOA sticks with the limited run and Mitsu sticks with "flood the market with as many Evos it can sell" then I would say STi. Even if SOA floods to match the Evo..I would still say STi. Used Mitsus aren't worth anything.
Resale- I would have to say that from my perspective of being a subie/mitsu dealer that the Subie wins out. Subarus' will win in the resale catagory hands down to anything but a Honda or Toyota. I take them in on trade in's all the time! Mitsu's actually have bad resale values...
Everything else- I have a problem here. See, I'm a dedicated Subie guy the the core. I've been selling'em for a long time now and I haven't seen anything else out there that get's the quality, workmanship, performance, durability, and dependability that you get from a Sub... It's hard for me to take a hyper-active Lancer seirously. I'll have to let you guys know how things go at our Subaru STi "Ride 'N' Drive" They will have an STi and an Evo there for us to play with I think!
That's my $0.02!!!
Jason Murley
Lujack Subaru
Iowa/Illinois
800-373-1160 X-236
Everything else- I have a problem here. See, I'm a dedicated Subie guy the the core. I've been selling'em for a long time now and I haven't seen anything else out there that get's the quality, workmanship, performance, durability, and dependability that you get from a Sub... It's hard for me to take a hyper-active Lancer seirously. I'll have to let you guys know how things go at our Subaru STi "Ride 'N' Drive" They will have an STi and an Evo there for us to play with I think!
That's my $0.02!!!
Jason Murley
Lujack Subaru
Iowa/Illinois
800-373-1160 X-236
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