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hey guys,
first post here in the forums, although i have been cruising for info for a few weeks now.
i am in the market for a new car.
i recently picked up a 95 ford bronco to handle any nasty new england winter that comes my way, and that also leaves me room to spend more on my regular car.
i'm looking in the 30k price range, and only looking to go over 30 if it's for a car with performance like an sti.
so, i'm not interested in fully optioned 3series
i'm looking @:
acura tsx w/navigation
disounted 2003 saab 9-3 vector
discounted 2003 audi a4
04 white sti.

i checked out:
the evo... hated the interior feel
rx-8... too pricey with options, no torque, doesn't accomodate 6 foot drivers
g35 coupe... too pricey with options, nice styling but interior materials are not so good

my questions for you guys are mainly concerning the sti and how it will be as a daily driver.
do many of you use this as your primary mode of transportation?
how is it in regards to normal driving?
is fuel economy adequate?
is the suspension so sporty as to be harsh on long drives?
does it's power come into play under normal highway and city conditions or is it one of those things where much of it's potential will go untapped?

i have 2 sides of my car owning personality tugging at me, and i just want to be sure that if i spend 31k on an sti that i won't find myself with regretting it because i'm not using it for it's true purpose: racing.
on the other hand i'm 30 but still single and childless, so i don't want to look back when i'm 40 and regret not having owned at least one over the top, balls-out car in my lifetime.

my car lineage has thus far been very uneventful:
?? plymouth duster (not the cool one)
87 vw jetta
89 vw jetta
02 protege5
 

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Average it out...

chrisfx811 said:
do many of you use this as your primary mode of transportation?
i do.

chrisfx811 said:
how is it in regards to normal driving?
is fuel economy adequate?
is the suspension so sporty as to be harsh on long drives?
does it's power come into play under normal highway and city conditions or is it one of those things where much of it's potential will go untapped?
normal driving: fantastic, especially if your only complaint with the evo was its interior. :)

fuel economy: it is as advertised. whether that is adequate depends on your pocketbook.

too harsh suspension on long road trips?: my longest road trip was 1200miles. i'm leaving for an 1800mile road trip tomorrow. for me, the answer is no.

power usability: as with any car, it depends how you drive. if you never rev the car above 3500rpm, then there is a *lot* of untapped power. just look at the power curve, with it's peak (i.e. 300hp) at 5500rpm. city or highway driving is irrelevant in terms of accesing the power. it's all about how much you wanna rev it.

chrisfx811 said:
....i won't find myself with regretting it because i'm not using it for it's true purpose: racing.
i'll bet that most porsche or m3 or sti owners do not/will not take their cars to the racetrack, so i really wouldn't sweat this. rather, you should figure out why you want the car.

chrisfx811 said:
on the other hand i'm 30 but still single and childless, so i don't want to look back when i'm 40 and regret not having owned at least one over the top, balls-out car in my lifetime.
i'm 38, married, with two young kids and i own an sti. *nothing* says you can't own your dream car even with the "burden" of a family.

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my car lineage has thus far been very uneventful:
so was mine; '82 subaru hatchback; '91 sentra se-r; '00 subaru outback wagon. however, the sti has been my dream car since i first learned about high-performance imprezas; back in the early 90's. hence there was no question about whether i'd buy this car.

have you considered the wrx? killer car for almost $10k less. of the cars you're considering, the sti is a bit of an outlier. you're looking at more sedate, conventional, comfortable cars. the sti is a rather raw race car: noisy tires, noisy brakes, noisy tranny, no leather option, not stereo, no sunroof, minimal noise dampening in the body, rubberband tires, very stiff suspension (by the standards of the cars you're looking at), and very racerboy looks. you gotta decide if you're all about any of that.
 

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Chris, don't fret. I'm in the same boat as you.

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For the most part I've owned less than spectacular cars.

Let me assure you. After driving the STi all your doubts will disappear. It's a better daily than the EVO. It's got lots of space, AWD (over the RX-8 anyway), LOTS of low-end (even pre-boost) torque for good in-town mobbing. . . and just get it out on the freeway or highway and you'll see that you can easily tap it's potential.

My STi (in another few weeks) will be my daily driver. . . for a good two years or so. Then I'll be probably buying a new B4 Legacy STi (or GT wagon) as my daily so I can build up the WRX STi for more racing and "weekend enthusiast" driving. ;)

The STi is not as sophisticated as the Bimmers or the Audis. . . but who cares? It's fun! :p

And Chris. . . you're only as old as you feel and act. 8)
 

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Commute in it.....everyday......50 mile round trip. Suspension is a little harsh, but my '89 GTA was worse. Go for it.
 

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well i feel pretty young. the g/f is only 20 :oops:
yes, the sti is the oddball of the bunch... that is my evil side tugging @ me to get a no-holds barred, fun car.
there is an 04 premium edition wrx at the same dealer for thousands less and it has only 6k miles on it...
problem is the previous owner traded it in for.... you guessed it... an sti!
the sti is the only car i would consider forgoing many of the convenience items on the other cars.
leather: don't need it, the sti material is pretty nice
sunroof: can live without it as it adds a lot of wind buffeting/noise
navigation/stereo: stock stereos usually suck anyway, and as far as navigation goes... if i am drivin the sti i probably won't mind getting lost!
i understand that if i get the sti, i will be driving a different animal altogether.
i was just curious if there wer anyone out there who found an sti or even a wrx a lil too "rough around the edges" after the wow factor fades away.
thanks for all the replies though...
i'm actively eyeing an alpine white one here in mass.
silver is the 2nd choice
 

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chrisfx811 said:
i was just curious if there wer anyone out there who found an sti or even a wrx a lil too "rough around the edges" after the wow factor fades away.
yah, i see. i've had mine since may 29th. i have 6700 miles. i look forward to driving it every morning and evening. i still have to go through all four seasons -- i.e. winter -- but i anticipate it'll be fine once i get new wheels/tires.
 

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chrisfx811 said:
well i feel pretty young. the g/f is only 20 :oops:
yes, the sti is the oddball of the bunch... that is my evil side tugging @ me to get a no-holds barred, fun car.
there is an 04 premium edition wrx at the same dealer for thousands less and it has only 6k miles on it...
problem is the previous owner traded it in for.... you guessed it... an sti!
the sti is the only car i would consider forgoing many of the convenience items on the other cars.
leather: don't need it, the sti material is pretty nice
sunroof: can live without it as it adds a lot of wind buffeting/noise
navigation/stereo: stock stereos usually suck anyway, and as far as navigation goes... if i am drivin the sti i probably won't mind getting lost!
i understand that if i get the sti, i will be driving a different animal altogether.
i was just curious if there wer anyone out there who found an sti or even a wrx a lil too "rough around the edges" after the wow factor fades away.
thanks for all the replies though...
i'm actively eyeing an alpine white one here in mass.
silver is the 2nd choice
Gotcha beat, Chris. . . .

My girlfriend (we're on a pseudo break right now) is 18. :p

Do I feel young? You'll need to ask her. ;)

Anyway. . . I totally understand (as well as most everyone else) what you mean about the little compromises we're making when buying the STi. In pretty much every case I keep one thing in mind:

The STi (and WRX's in general) are rally car-bred. That in mind, I will think of my STi not as a stripped-down and "rough around the edges" car. . . . rather, I will think of it as a rally car that has been refined for everyday use.

When you look at the car from that perspective, it'll practically seem like a Cadillac. :lol:
 

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this is my daily driver, every day, STi. i was just having a moral dilemma the other day about putting a lot of mileage on her - and then it occurred to me that im enjoying every moment. i dont care how many miles i do because i enjoy every one of them.
 

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10,000 miles on my STi so far. 40 mile commute, a few 1000-1800 mile trips, and have done 918 miles in one day. Yes, the suspension is a little harsh and the road noise is a little loud. A decent aftermarket stereo helps A LOT with the noise problems. It's not so loud that I'm compelled to wear ear plugs. I do wear them when flying commercial for a frame of reference. Around town about 22 mpg. 25 mpg typically on the freeway, but I did catch a tail wind in Idaho and got 28 mpg @ 75 mph!

My father bought an A4 1.8T Quattro a few months before I got my STi. It is more refined than the STi and has more bells and whistles. A very nice superslab curser that loves to run. The interior finish is nicer too. + a real tool kit and a comprehensive first aid kit in the fold down rear seat arm rest / ski pass trough.

Yous pays your moneys and takes yous choices. When I was 30 I was driving a barely street legal 2 ltr race car. Now I'm 40 and the STi has carpeting, cruse control, AC, and it's FASTER!

P.S.: Mine's white / gold...

edit: I spent $1,300 on hardware for the stereo. Do figure that into the price.
 

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Well, I'll offer a different perspective :D

I do not think the STi, for commuting to/from work and getting groceries, is a good daily driver. I do not mind the suspension, it is actually a tad soft for my expectations; however, very thin sound insulation may get to you. Road, tire, and engine noise become so loud that you get tired of shouting to your passenger for normal conversation.

Couple of times I took my wife and son to autoxes and after 45 mins of drive to the destination, they complaint about the seats and how their tushy hurt.

For me, it is a track car, and it is a near-excellent platform to build on to it for track and auto-x purposes. So far things are going quite well.

I use a 330Ci as a daily driver and I cannot say there is a better vehicle out there that represents the "best" compromise in performance, comfort, and fun. I'll always have a Bimmer I think :)

However, since you are not interested in a 3er, I can suggest the 350Z. In my opinion, it is the most fun driver for a single person or if it is your 3rd+ vehicle. The handling dynamics are admirable, power delivery smooth, and comfort better than acceptable. And of course the regular WRX is always a great buy.

Good luck.
 

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I drive my STi to work every day, and will continue to do so through all four seasons. I honestly don't think it's harsh at all, and it is such an amazing driving experience that I can't wait to get back into the car every time I drive it. It's not that I drive it fast... but you feel connected and in control. You don't need to speed or take a car to a track to enjoy driving it.

That being said, i plan on tracking my car next summer. :D
 

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Any dealers in SC or NC selling for MSRP?

:D

Hey Chris.... as a daily driver and my primary mode of transporation, I enjoy commuting to work everyday.... Usually a 45 mile commute each way but I feel very comfortable & secure nevertheless, on those busy morning hours. Also, I travel alot so for the past few weekends, I have been averaging 400 to 500 miles going to different destinations. Also, I am 6'2 and brawny but I feel very comfortable on those long drives...

Anyways, but to answer some of your other questions, here I go:

is fuel economy adequate?
is the suspension so sporty as to be harsh on long drives?
does it's power come into play under normal highway and city conditions or is it one of those things where much of it's potential will go untapped?
a. Fuel economy is average... I get between 250 to 300 mi per tank.
b. Suspension feels good. I have no complaints whatsoever because I am used to sports-suspensions. This is my fourth modified vehicle.
c. Lastly, power is always in play in my STI. City or freeway, moutains or whatever.... It's always fun to zoom around.... Either way, it depends how you drive so it's up to you to determine this one 8) ..

Also, I am 30 years old but I feel 20 in this car. It is so much fun. I really love to drive my STI everywhere.

Anyways, I hope this helps... Good luck in your selection
 

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i did a 10 hour road trip.

after the first 3-4 hours, my left hand started to get numb.

been driving with left hand on wheel. got scared.

for the next few hours, i carefully monitored my hand and constantly switched hands.

seats were okay. i just moved around alot.
 

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Hey YukonArt,
I am almost the same age you are but I don't why, I seem to get alot of play with younger women. Thumbs up bro. :)
 

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Re: STi Caliper Paint peeling off?

O.K. You young Wippersnappers . . . . . . . .

46 years old, 39 year old wife, 3 boys - 12, 10 & 6.

Daily commute 37 miles each way, into & out of, Boston, on the South East expressway every day. Never counted but easily a couple of hundred gearchanges a day . . . .

My wife drives (captains) a suburban. Since we got the STI we spend a lot of time arguing about who's going to get milk from the store late at night. - Sometimes we don't actually need milk !!

The STI is a phenominal car for anyone who actually likes driving and doesn't worry about their neighbours bitching if they don't drive a "Badge".

With the possible exeption of a Ford Sierra Cosorth, which I had a few years ago, this is probably the best drivers car I have ever had the pleasure to drive - including "Badged" cars.

You only come this way once - drive whatever puts the biggest smile on your face :lol:

Previous cars we have owned:
Renault 4 Gordini 1400cc Hi Perf. Bodywork made of thin paper
Ford Escort RS2000 "THE" Rally Sport car of choice at the time.
Mercedes 190 Motorised Land boat
Ford Sierra Cosworth "THE" car of choice by Rally Drivers and Bank Robbers everywhere.
'84 Corvette Adequate performance- but where do I put the Kids
'99 Grand Prix GTP I'm only 46, I'm much too young for this car.
'04 STI Halelujah . . . . :lol:
 

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Hi,

I wanted to respond to your post because I went through the same struggle in deciding to get our STi.

My previous car history was seven years of Ford station wagons, automatic-mommy-mode. I was looking for something smaller and sportier but still practical. None of the new small wagons (Vibe, Matrix, Protegé5) appealed to me for various reasons so I started to look at sedans. I test drove a TSX and considered the RX8.

I thought that the TSX was a finely crafted machine but the performance just wasn't there. (My husband said it was butt ugly and would not support me buying one.) All along my husband had been drooling over this STi that was sitting at the dealership.

I went with him to look at the Subaru and was still confused. It just seemed to me that there was this huge gap between the TSX (nice car,some peformance) and the STi (outrageous performance). It was more car than I was looking for and I was really having trouble deciding. Push came to shove and he (and the kids!) convinced me to buy it.

This car is my daily driver and will be used year-round. I sometimes feel a little goofy in it and I sometimes wish for a more comfortable ride but I don't regret the purchase. This car will always put a smile on your face after a hard day. However, both my husband and I admit that, if not for the kids, we would have bought a 350Z.

I guess it all depends what you want out of your car. Good luck deciding.

Sue :)
 

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I come from an Integra Typer R which was lowered with slightly stiffer suspension. In comparison, my one-week old STI is a lot more comfortable than the R. I have been using the R for two and a half years as my daily driver. It goes without saying the STI will be daily driver as well. It handles like the R, but a lot faster and comfortable at the same time. Amazing!

Interior is okay with me. I guess it is very difficult to get both luxury and remarkable performance at $32K. I am kind of a guy who rather spend the money on performance than look.
 
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