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This is a disruptive car and the higher tier models are going to be even crazier. Rumor is the top spec will be AWD and hybrid with over 800hp... and the base model already does 0-60 in 2.8s with 495hp and RWD, <$60k. That's insane. The Supra is already obsolete.

 

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I'll have to wait for the higher end ones :)
 

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Agreed about the Supra. It seems like the going rate with dealer markups is ~$100k. Hopefully the markups on the C8 aren't as bad.

The Supra will need the S55 or new S58 M engine (from the M2, M3, M4) rather than the B58 in order to be competitive. The stock S55 engine with an e85 tune is capable of 500+ whp and 550+whp with downpipes. This has been enough power to put M cars in the 10 sec 1/4 mile range. But then we're talking about modified cars.. but the Supra has always been a tuner car. A video on youtube showed the Supra only running a 12.5 even w/ street radials.

Of course the Supra is a smaller sports car in comparison to the C8 being a budget supercar. If the purchase price is similar, the C8 obviously seems like the better buy.

Either way.. neither car comes with a manual trans :tdown:
 

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I'm goin to have to learn to drive an automatic ! ? ! ? ! ?
 

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Agreed about the Supra. It seems like the going rate with dealer markups is ~$100k. Hopefully the markups on the C8 aren't as bad.

The Supra will need the S55 or new S58 M engine (from the M2, M3, M4) rather than the B58 in order to be competitive. The stock S55 engine with an e85 tune is capable of 500+ whp and 550+whp with downpipes. This has been enough power to put M cars in the 10 sec 1/4 mile range. But then we're talking about modified cars.. but the Supra has always been a tuner car. A video on youtube showed the Supra only running a 12.5 even w/ street radials.

Of course the Supra is a smaller sports car in comparison to the C8 being a budget supercar. If the purchase price is similar, the C8 obviously seems like the better buy.

Either way.. neither car comes with a manual trans :tdown:
I'm not sure why anyone would buy the Supra over the M2 Competition at this point.

What really interests me about the C8 is what the aftermarket community will be able to do with an affordable mid-engine platform with a Chevy SB. That's just a wild proposition. I can't imagine what a simple bolt-on and tire C8 is going to do at the track, let alone the higher tier models. Trackdays are just going to be overflowing with them.
 

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I'm not sure why anyone would buy the Supra over the M2 Competition at this point.

What really interests me about the C8 is what the aftermarket community will be able to do with an affordable mid-engine platform with a Chevy SB. That's just a wild proposition. I can't imagine what a simple bolt-on and tire C8 is going to do at the track, let alone the higher tier models. Trackdays are just going to be overflowing with them.
The only selling point that I see for the Supra is that it's a dedicated sports car platform (only shared by the Supra & Z4). One could argue that the M2 Competition is a beefed up 2 series chassis that may have had some compromises made. Don't get me wrong, I'd buy the M2 Comp over the Supra for the M engine, back seat, and manual transmission. Especially considering that their curb weight and price are fairly similar.

I agree that C8s will be very popular at the track and all over youtube. I think it's amazing what Chevrolet has done at this price point. It offers a lot for the price. Maybe it'll help people realize that manufacturers are overcharging for cars these days. I think even the new GT500 will struggle to be relevant with the performance per dollar that the C8 will offer. The GT500 starts around $74k.
 

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It looks like they traced a Ferrari, sharpened some of the lines, and called it a corvette. Ugly IMO, and I've seen them in person.

No matter how "good" it is, it's still GM quality and cheap is cheap for a reason.... Corners have to be cut somewhere. Give it a year or so and you'll find out where.

I live in 'burbs north of Detroit, east of the milford proving grounds. I've seen the test mules sitting on the side of the road many times. I've seen them on the proving grounds track broken down.

Anyway, the non-saleable cars are running around out here, now. We shall see what happens.
 

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It looks like they traced a Ferrari, sharpened some of the lines, and called it a corvette. Ugly IMO, and I've seen them in person.

No matter how "good" it is, it's still GM quality and cheap is cheap for a reason.... Corners have to be cut somewhere. Give it a year or so and you'll find out where.

I live in 'burbs north of Detroit, east of the milford proving grounds. I've seen the test mules sitting on the side of the road many times. I've seen them on the proving grounds track broken down.

Anyway, the non-saleable cars are running around out here, now. We shall see what happens.
I'd trust a GM product over a Ferrari or Lamborghini to run reliably for 50k miles every single time. The Italian sports cars are unbelievably problematic and expensive to maintain, most people don't recognize it because they drive them 2,000 miles/yr or less.
 

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I'd trust a GM product over a Ferrari or Lamborghini to run reliably for 50k miles every single time. The Italian sports cars are unbelievably problematic and expensive to maintain, most people don't recognize it because they drive them 2,000 miles/yr or less.
Okay? Did I say anything about Ferrari/Lambo reliability? GM is #2 for most garbage cars, behind FCA.
 

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dunno i see a lot with some miles on them...are they prone to break yes, is any other car, yes...just cuz you have to take out a second mortgage for a clutch job doesn't make it less reliable than any other...i do have a preference for Japanese cars as i seem to have better luck, one family i do car work for prefers GM and ford and have amazing luck like i have never seen with those cars...their Japanese cars didn't last so long tho lol
 

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Keeping this thread going.. Some big rumors around the other models.

Car and Driver's article "expects":
What We Know about the V-8 that Will Power the C8 Corvette Z06 and ZR1
The expected 5.5-liter engine will offer 600 to 1000 horsepower and a Ferrari-rivaling sound.
We expect that the Z06, ZR1, and hybrid versions will use a 5.5-liter flat-plane-crank V-8 engine in various states of tune, making between 600 and 1000 horsepower.
We expect the C8 Corvette Z06 will use a naturally aspirated version of the engine that will supposedly rev to 8600 rpm and develop in excess of 600 horsepower, a power figure that's credible given the Voodoo's power rating and 8250-rpm redline. (More revs equal more power per liter.) It is rumored that GM engineers had designed the motor to spin to 9000 rpm, but that design elements of the Tremec-built dual-clutch automatic transmission—the same one that will be standard across all versions of the C8—restricted the redline to the lower number... This engine will help the Z06 return to its roots as a lightweight, naturally aspirated, high-revving, rear-drive, track-focused car.
The ZR1 will be the big daddy of Vettes, and its twin-turbocharged version of the flat-plane crank engine can be expected to put out well over 800 horsepower.
That Nürburgring honor will go to the hybrid version of the C8, rumored to be called eRay or Zora. It will have a powerful electric motor where the front trunk is in other models (see cutaway, above), which powers the front wheels independently of the rears; the twin-turbo engine will drive the rear tires. A small battery will be housed low in the structure, possibly inside the car's central spine. Total system power is expected to approach 1000 horsepower for brief periods.
This contradicts Motortrend's expectation of it being closer to a 4.2L:
Source: C8 Corvette Z06 Getting Flat-Plane-Crank Twin-Turbo V-8! - MotorTrend
Expect the C8's displacement to grow from the Blackwing's 4.2 liters, but fall well short of the 5.5-liter number that's been thrown around. The number of issues Ford has had with Voodoo engine failures alone should dispel any notion of Chevrolet going to an even larger displacement.
I see the word expect an awful lot of times in all of these articles... I get the feeling that the rumors are pure speculation at this point.
 

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I've never been a huge Corvette fan, but if they make a mid-engine Z06 with a...
  • Naturally aspirated flat plane crank V8 with "Ferrari rivaling sound"
  • Equipped with a manual transmission (revving to the rumored 9k rpm redline) - deal breaker & likely won't happen
  • Producing 600+ hp
  • Weighing ~3500 lbs
  • Power/weight ratio = ~6
  • 0-60 mph < 2.9 seconds
  • 0-100 mph < 7 seconds
  • 1/4 mile = 10.x seconds
.. then I may have to start saving my pennies.
 

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I've never been a huge Corvette fan, but if they make a mid-engine Z06 with a...
  • Naturally aspirated flat plane crank V8 with "Ferrari rivaling sound"
  • Equipped with a manual transmission (revving to the rumored 9k rpm redline) - deal breaker & likely won't happen
  • Producing 600+ hp
  • Weighing ~3500 lbs
  • Power/weight ratio = ~6
  • 0-60 mph < 2.9 seconds
  • 0-100 mph < 11.0 seconds
  • 1/4 mile = 10.x seconds
.. then I may have to start saving my pennies.
Well, I sure as hell hope the 0-100 would be <11.0 seconds considering the base model will probably do 0-100-0 around that time :lol:

I doubt this car will ever get a manual.
 

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Well, I sure as hell hope the 0-100 would be <11.0 seconds considering the base model will probably do 0-100-0 around that time <img src="https://www.iwsti.com/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif" border="0" alt="" title="LOL" class="inlineimg" />

I doubt this car will ever get a manual.
Sorry, typo fail :)

Unfortunately, that's probably true.
 
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