Road & Track review
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I don't have access to a scanner but here is some more info from the R&T article:
-The Evo is the new R&T breaking Champ from 60mph-0....108ft (former champ was Modena in 110 ft.). STi came in at 111 ft.
-Breaking from 80mph-0: Evo: 194 ft. STi:193ft.
-They noted both cars has only 500 miles on them and better 0-60 times could be accomplished.
-Both editors picked the STi in their opinion as noted below:
"The Evo, with its quick reflexes, feels like it's setup for the Monte Carlo tarmac. The STi, with its higher seating and slower steering, feels ready to tackle Kenya dirt. Which is why I prefer the Subaru, it has fantastic power, it looks more like a rally car, and it wins me over with bits such as its adjustable center diff, which makes the STi come alive on dirt, where rally cars belong".
"Asking me ot choose between these two is asking Ben Cartwright who his favorite son was. If I was to spend most of my free time autocrossing or driving mountain roaads, I would choose the Evo. However, for weekends spent in a more conservative manner, the Subaru gets the edge".
-The Evo is the new R&T breaking Champ from 60mph-0....108ft (former champ was Modena in 110 ft.). STi came in at 111 ft.
-Breaking from 80mph-0: Evo: 194 ft. STi:193ft.
-They noted both cars has only 500 miles on them and better 0-60 times could be accomplished.
-Both editors picked the STi in their opinion as noted below:
"The Evo, with its quick reflexes, feels like it's setup for the Monte Carlo tarmac. The STi, with its higher seating and slower steering, feels ready to tackle Kenya dirt. Which is why I prefer the Subaru, it has fantastic power, it looks more like a rally car, and it wins me over with bits such as its adjustable center diff, which makes the STi come alive on dirt, where rally cars belong".
"Asking me ot choose between these two is asking Ben Cartwright who his favorite son was. If I was to spend most of my free time autocrossing or driving mountain roaads, I would choose the Evo. However, for weekends spent in a more conservative manner, the Subaru gets the edge".
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That's similar to what car and driver said. Placed 2nd. high in power but they said it really likes to understeer and thats not fun they said it was" nearly unforgivable"
That's a little misleading to just say that because in the article the Evo wins almost every performance category, and the the STi gains points in subjective categories - and if you even remove the points the STi gets for 'Off-road performance' which most of us will never do, the Evo wins regardless of the price points. Then the price puts the Evo back on top. So if you eliminate subjective areas since they really are just subjective and different for everyone, the Evo wins when looking at just measurable categories.cligedy said:
Gotta give it up for Mits 'cause they did a bang up job on the Evo. Despite a 30hp deficit and open diff in front, it still gets it done. I am slowly getting won over by the Evo, away from the STi.
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Most of us will drive our EVO or STi the majority of the time on public streets and not the track. Also some of us, like me, will make it our daily driver. That is why I prefer the the STi over the EVO as my personal preference. It's power, extra displacment, breaking, and handling prowess (although not on par w/EVO...but what other car really is) makes it a sweet package...and oh yea..it is a Subaru :lol:
Both cars rock. Hopefully this mag racing :roll: will stop once the STi is here. Two weeks and counting for me 8)
Most of us will drive our EVO or STi the majority of the time on public streets and not the track. Also some of us, like me, will make it our daily driver. That is why I prefer the the STi over the EVO as my personal preference. It's power, extra displacment, breaking, and handling prowess (although not on par w/EVO...but what other car really is) makes it a sweet package...and oh yea..it is a Subaru :lol:
Both cars rock. Hopefully this mag racing :roll: will stop once the STi is here. Two weeks and counting for me 8)
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I am reaaaaaally getting sick of this magazine racing crap. You people that are being swayed by processed tree pulp are all SHEEP! Baaaah! When you can drive both cars then you can start making comments. I can't believe there are so many people that read these magazines and take them as gospel. Just because Super Street Pimpmobiles says this or that remember it is Joe Blow's opinion. Remember to consider the source and don't believe everything you are told. 
Flame on!
Flame on!What's funny is that before the reviews came out, many fanboys (not all people here) were spouting off at the mouth about the superiority of the STi specs over the Evo. Now that the reviews are out, mag reviews mean nothing despite the fact they all say the same thing. But if the reviews went the other way, you know there would have been gloating all over the place here.
Why read any reviews whether it is from a magazine or a forum member's test drive then? Why even read postings about reviews if you don't want to see them? I thought you were sick of them. Don't make yourself sicker. Stop clicking. In fact, why even have a forum since the car isn't here yet and you hate reviews from any source that's not your own first-person review? And no, I'm not an Evo or STi fanboy like some are. I don't know if I'm getting an STi or Evo, but I'm intrigued by both. I may get an RX8. I don't give a rat's ass that people think it has no torque. But I read all the reviews on it too. I've been following every car forum trying to gather info to help make a wiser decision later.
Mag reviews do have value, esp when they all concur. You can gain some info that you don't have yet. And some of us that may actually use the car for autocross or hot lapping may actually want some insight on the actual performance numbers and thoughts of the testers. It is considered input and data that we might want to process and use to help make a more informed decision about a purchase. Noone is going to buy a car just because of one review. I think you're kinda pissed because you were dead set on the STi and was so sure that it would be the next god's gift to motoring and it wasn't unanimous winner everywhere. It's a car, get over it. One shouldn't never be so loyal to a company that only needs you in order to sell you stuff anyway. I buy the product, not the brand.
Why read any reviews whether it is from a magazine or a forum member's test drive then? Why even read postings about reviews if you don't want to see them? I thought you were sick of them. Don't make yourself sicker. Stop clicking. In fact, why even have a forum since the car isn't here yet and you hate reviews from any source that's not your own first-person review? And no, I'm not an Evo or STi fanboy like some are. I don't know if I'm getting an STi or Evo, but I'm intrigued by both. I may get an RX8. I don't give a rat's ass that people think it has no torque. But I read all the reviews on it too. I've been following every car forum trying to gather info to help make a wiser decision later.
Mag reviews do have value, esp when they all concur. You can gain some info that you don't have yet. And some of us that may actually use the car for autocross or hot lapping may actually want some insight on the actual performance numbers and thoughts of the testers. It is considered input and data that we might want to process and use to help make a more informed decision about a purchase. Noone is going to buy a car just because of one review. I think you're kinda pissed because you were dead set on the STi and was so sure that it would be the next god's gift to motoring and it wasn't unanimous winner everywhere. It's a car, get over it. One shouldn't never be so loyal to a company that only needs you in order to sell you stuff anyway. I buy the product, not the brand.
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No Nyk-WAN. You obviously didn't read my response that closely. Reviews of products be it cars or creampuffs have some value. What bothers me is that because the EVO scores 2 points higher than the STi you have all these people saying "Dear Lord I guess the STi IS crap! It got 2 less points!!! Well sign me up for an EVO." With a gaping margin of two points what else can people do? :roll:
Where are people saying that? I mean there are a few Mitsu fanboys here and there, but I don't get the feeling that it is a ton of people. I keep reading postings that pretty much say that the Evo is winning the comparos, but it is so close that it comes basically to personal preference. I only originally responded in this thread because I thought that one post was misleading in saying that the STi was better throughout, except that the Evo won solely on price. After seeing his post, I picked up a copy R&T for the article because I thought this article would be showing that the STi won every category. That isn't really a true representation of the article. I would have pointed it out if it went the other way too.silent B0b said:
I think this 'competition' between the two camps will die down in a little while. From lurking on the forums for a while, I got the feeling that this is all because in the beginning the Evo fans were bragging about how great the Evo would be. Then the STi specs were announced and then the STi guys threw it in the Evo guys faces about how the STi one upped them and was that much better. And then the reviews didn't go as expected and the Evo guys are throwing it back in the STi guys faces right now. But in a couple months, I think the magazine reviews will all be forgotten because everyone will focus on real world data. And then I think people will start to see very similar results anyway because not too many people will be able to take the cars to 10/10ths anyway just to see that miniscule difference.
Preach it brother!!!! I have to admit that i thought the STI would win all the comparos. I am quite surprised it didn't actually. Does it bother me? A teeny weeny bit but not really. I like evo....i think i've made this known in other posts but i am a big evo fan. I would take a blue TM edition evo 6.5 over any awd car except a 22b or R34 Skyline, even the USDM STI. Why am i not buying the evo then? Simple....even though it is still a bad ass car it is watered down. I can't stand a car company not having total respect for its customers by not giving them the real deal. Now Subaru on the other hand brought over a version of the STI that is the best in the world(excluding spec c). They stepped to the plate and hit a home run....mitsubishi hit a triple. Thats why an STI will be in one of my garages and not an evo. Whats really scary is the fact that our watered down USDM evo is still the S**T!! If Mitsubishi next year brings us an Evo with the real deal close ratio 6 speed gearbox, ACD, AYC, 30 more horsepower(it is an underated 280hp in japan, but everyone knows its 300+hp in japan), etc for another say 2-2.5k....well then there will be one of those in the garage next to my STI.nykwan said:
that says it all for me. This will be my primary form of transportation. I find that I almost never have problems with understeer when driving my girlfriend's Civic to the grocery store. At the same time, when I go to deals gap for a sunday drive (300+ turns in 11 miles) I like my balls-out-effort to be rewarded with responsive handling and power to get me up the mountain. I look forward to the STi being as much fun as my MR-2, but with the capability to bring friends or luggage along. As it stands, no car comes close for this price to being both livable and exciting.DVTURK said:
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When it comes down to it and I decide I want an STi or Evo, I'm just going to let the dealers decide. I will probably buy the one that I can get without going through much hassle, is available on the lot, and most importantly, the one I am able to negotiate the best deal on (not necessarily meaning the cheapest). I always like to feel that I got a good deal when I buy something - so MSRP won't cut it for me either. So if my local Mitsu dealer is playing hardball, then I'll most likely get an STi and vice-versa.
In doing my research on all the different forums and reading every article, I think that the performance is close enough that it can be called equal. And there things I like about each ar and things I dislike about each car - too bad you can't mix and match a hybrid STi/Evo. I've thought about it so hard and I don't think I would really be unhappy or happier in either car. In fact, I was talking with my friend and if he buys an Evo, I may lean toward an STi. And if he buys an STi, I may go with an Evo. We both can go either way with it. It would just be cool to have access to both!
When it comes down to it and I decide I want an STi or Evo, I'm just going to let the dealers decide. I will probably buy the one that I can get without going through much hassle, is available on the lot, and most importantly, the one I am able to negotiate the best deal on (not necessarily meaning the cheapest). I always like to feel that I got a good deal when I buy something - so MSRP won't cut it for me either. So if my local Mitsu dealer is playing hardball, then I'll most likely get an STi and vice-versa.
In doing my research on all the different forums and reading every article, I think that the performance is close enough that it can be called equal. And there things I like about each ar and things I dislike about each car - too bad you can't mix and match a hybrid STi/Evo. I've thought about it so hard and I don't think I would really be unhappy or happier in either car. In fact, I was talking with my friend and if he buys an Evo, I may lean toward an STi. And if he buys an STi, I may go with an Evo. We both can go either way with it. It would just be cool to have access to both!
Will the hoodscoop/hood shake a lot?
right, the only way the mags would sway my decision in buying would be if they made comments like , what a dissapointment ,no throttle response ,poor brakes, ill fitting body parts ,and uncomfortable as hell, lets face it both manufactures did what they could to stay in sight of the other ,thats a plus for us all ,my pick is the sti, only because it does it all very well and has room for improvement if i choose, the Evo is alittle on the touchy side at 19 lbs boost on 91 fuel, remember it better be fresh fuel, the longer it sits in the tanks at your exxon station and vents into the air the weaker it gets, like the fuel in your lawn mower over winter, in my opinion anyway :wink: :wink:DVTURK said:
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