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Ok, the guys at Induction Motorsports were able to do some back to back dyno pulls on a 1994 Supra Twin Turbo (Single conversion)

First Pull, they ran just ordinary 92 Octane, 17-18psi, they put down 400 HP to the rear wheels.

Second pull, they took 32 oz of our Race Fuel Concentrate (Unleaded), and added it to about 10 gallons of 92 Octane, ran 17-18psi, The car put down 413 HP to the wheels.

Granted, I wasn't that impressed myself... but at the same time, 13hp is 13 hp. Some guys replace whole exhaust systems and air intakes for that power ... we just had 32oz of fluid added to normal gas.

There is a comparison graph on our website (from the dyno data) http://www.need4speedpower.com

Yesterday, Induction Motorsports did another back to back comparison.

Same Car, still had about 3 gallons of the mixed 92 octane, with the Unleaded Fuel concentrate. They upped the boost to 19psi. The car put down 439rwhp

Next pull, they poured 5 gallons of C-16 - 117MON Octane Race Fuel, the $7.00+ per gallon stuff ... at the same 19psi, the car put down 448 rwhp

OK, so the Race Fuel Concentrate is certainly not as great as C-16. By the dyno results, the concentrate is definitely capable of putting some real power to the ground. All in a 32oz can, that you can carry around easily in your trunk.

The new Dyno results will be up on my website in the next few days. In the meatime, check out the site .... http://www.need4speedpower.com and purchase online!

Many thanks to the guys at Induction Motorsports http://www.inductionmotorsports.com
 

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Polish_STi said:
In reading this it seems to be suggested that the octain boosting solution you offer in fact adds horsepower, and this is definatly not the case. Higher octain will never make a single minute bit of power past what your ECU is capable of, through ignition timing. With most ppl on these boards running stock ECUs there would be no power gain using race gas.

Not that high octain gasoline does not have its benifits, in an engine like the supra, or any turbocharged engine with a boost controller and an aftermarket engine manegment computer you can run high boost and custom timing, risking detonation the further you push the engine. With high end racing gas (leaded gas in particular) the risk of detonation is reduced....Im rambling on but for those putting serious mods into their STi's such as juice or a bigger turbo+computer I suggest propain injection. Its very simple, trick, and yeilds an octain of 105 in the cyl. For short bursts only of course. :lol:
I'm not sure where you're getting that from, the fact that it does not add horsepower .... It in fact does.

Any car with variable ignition timing (one that uses it's own 02 sensor, and other variables to dictate ignition advance) Like the WRX, STi, MKIV Supra etc... will indeed gain horsepower on the factory ecu, with factory boost.

It's simple, the ecu advances ignition timing when it sees that there is no knock (due to higher octane gas). As soon as it sees knock, it backs off a little. Plain and simple. So indeed, on a car with that type of setup from the factory, you will gain some sort of horsepower.

Of course the added benefit, is that you are supposed to also be able to "up the boost" with a race gas, and gain even more power ........(with proper engine management etc...)

This product isn't for everyone .... but it sure beats the heck out of the 92 octane I get here.
 

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Re: Almost....but not quite

That's what we have proved with the dyno results on that supra, going from 92 octane to the race fuel concentrate... nothing else was changed and they were dong back to back.
 

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We should be getting more stock of this product by the beginning of next week. Unless the manufacturer slows production for some reason.

We also have a total "hydrocarbon" type fuel additive that definitely helps lower egt's, and have a more complete combustion which nets better gas mileage. I've ran it in my 02 WRX for over 1.5 years ...

http://www.need4speedpower.com/gtafuel.html
 

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We will be offering some sort of incentive ... I have to wait to get my new shipment though ....

Remember, $13.50, for 10 gallons..... you don't have to use the whole can ... for instance, you could use half of it (16 oz) to 5 gallons then? Save the rest for the next track day!

I have some customers, like myself, who use it daily, just to bump octane up over 94, to assure no pinging, etc..... (I can't get any better than 92 here in Omaha, and even that is only available at like 6 gas stations) (Amoco's)
 
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