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ALL OF THIS IS IMHO, it is opinion and not fact and should be taken as such.

Don't give up on the STi because some magazines give a slight edge to the EVO on handling (.2 Seconds difference on a road course) and braking (ohh, it stops a whole 6 feet faster than the STi). This is hardly not enough in my opinion to declare either one the winner. It will come down to driver, and when there are real production vehicle vs production vehicle comparos done, I expect some different results. For example, Shiv had some interesting Dyno results on a production EVO vs the press car EVO...

The Automobile article was the best so far of what has been in my opinion paid advertisement for Mitsubishi. C&D has a history of that anyway...

I mean, the credibility of the Motor Trend article was lost when they stated that Europe and Japan have been getting a 286HP STi for many years.

And then it gets worse when they make this stupid statement:

"The STi's accelleration tests were done on slightly less grippy surface. This does not affect the numbers, however, with the AWD helping with wheelspin"

Sore loser I am not, but I just thought that these falsehoods and mistakes need to be pointed out. At the very most, these reviews are just opinion, and it is my opinion based on what they presented that some of it is crap.


I'll summarize it this way:

Do you let movie reviews drive the movies you go see, and secondly, how many times have you disagreed with the reviewers??


Had to get it off of my chest...
 

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with these two cars being SO close there should be some other things that get looked at when deciding which car to buy anyway.Things like overall quality and reputation of a manufactur for example.You would be hard pressed to find Consumer reports talk about Mitsu in the same breath as Subaru in regards to overall quality and safety.

Just my .02 worth!

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You know...I've been trying to find reports or data to show Subaru's reputation, and I can't seem to find any. The JD Power reports on the Impreza in the past years isn't anything to write home about, but then I don't know how well they rank ANY car under $30k.

Also, there was this posted over at evolutionm.net a while back.....

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22555&highlight=subaru+quality

Doesn't really back up our claims to being a better built car. Can you dealers provide any good 'sales' data to show otherwise.
 

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CloNeGTS said:
Also, there was this posted over at evolutionm.net a while back.....

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22555&highlight=subaru+quality

Doesn't really back up our claims to being a better built car. Can you dealers provide any good 'sales' data to show otherwise.
Doesn't really tell you anything about LONG-TERM reliablity as this is the Initial Quality Study results. It includes such "problems" as poor gas mileage, too much wind noise, etc. Mostly useless survery IMO.
 

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This is the JD Power survey that shows Subaru is at least above industry average in long-term quality.



The Vehicle Dependability Index Study, now in its 13th year, is based this year on survey responses from more than 30,000 original owners of 1998 model-year vehicles. The study monitors the number and type of problems owners have with their four- to five-year-old vehicles and covers 137 specific problem areas in nine categories.


All this can be found here:


http://www.jdpower.com/awards/industry/summary.asp?StudyID=692&CatID=1
 

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More evidence that Mitsu's overall build quality is sub-par...

Maybe the EVO will be different - I hope it is.

Once the cars are around for a while, I think Subie will win out. I've said it before - check back with me when we have an EVO vs. STI with 50K miles on each.

I totally agree with what JJ said...

The best thing to do is to test-drive both cars, but I don't know how willing dealers will be to do that...

Another thing to do is to weigh wheel-to-wheel comparisons, and look at a number of different articles, taking into account the author's biases.

I think a lot of times, we humans discount what we don't want to hear, and pay a lot of attention to what we do want to hear. It's natural to stack the evidence toward the way you're already leaning.
 

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ha-evolution said:
This is the JD Power survey that shows Subaru is at least above industry average in long-term quality.

The Vehicle Dependability Index Study, now in its 13th year, is based this year on survey responses from more than 30,000 original owners of 1998 model-year vehicles. The study monitors the number and type of problems owners have with their four- to five-year-old vehicles and covers 137 specific problem areas in nine categories.


All this can be found here:


http://www.jdpower.com/awards/industry/summary.asp?StudyID=692&CatID=1
This is real interesting. Notice there are no Daimler-Chryslers in the above average group and there are two GM brands that made it. A bunch of Fords in there as well as the expected Japanese Trio (Nissan, Toyota, Honda)

What I can't figure out is how Infiniti is so far ahead of Nissan.
 

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another thing to keep in mind is that in japan it's fairly easy to find a 1 year old used evo, but owners tend to keep STis. lets wait a year and see how many evo vrs. STi come on the market.
 

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All of these magazine results are based on paid advertisements. The motor trend car of the year is always the most advertised in the magizine. It is a bought award. The Car and Driver top ten is similar. Mitsu has more money to advertise than Subaru as it is a much bigger car company. It will always win in these mags
 

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i say TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. so when mommy and daddy reads the review, they will not get you the STi. instead, you'll get the much superior (well according to the review) car in the EVO!!!!!!!
 

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I say use the comparos as a guide. But if anyone thinks there are no big business influences when it comes to those articles you have NO CLUE! It's especially bad with the big commercial mags like R&T or C&D. These cars are extremely close in performance but will certainly have a different feel. If you're not totally certain what to get (like me) wait a little until the dust settles then start test driving. Go to dealers, find friends, long lost cousins and take the car for a spin. With that said I drove a my03 wrx yesterday around some country roads and without going into boring detail was quite pleased with my experience.

Peace!!
 
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