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Which is why I said 1.5xtr + E85...
i dont have E85 available near me :/

No issue with that. I have just been attempting to get the OP to stop spouting and get some help. We aren't going to resolve his issues. But, perhaps we have altered his direction enough to help him out .. .
forums aren't a place to get help?
 

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Yes and no! All the information you'll ever need if somewhere - surrounded by just as much totally incorrect BS. Either you have to take the time to learn which is which, or try to find someone you can trust. If you spent years on here, it could pay off even if you only learn what shop you want to use! I'm pretty sure money and even my car means more to me than yours to you. I never would have looked up 500hp and bought a turbo for it . . .
 

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OP: You originally came in to ask for help regarding fuel set up... let's bring it back to basics... Now that I know you have no E85 available, I will change some things up a bit in my list:


ID1050x Injectors
DW65c or DW300c Pump


The Following items are not necessary for the 1.5xtr but is a good idea to do. Switching to a parallel fuel system is safer IMO, but your stock rails, hard lines and FPR are fine for the 1.5xtr power range.


Aeromotive A1000 FPR

IAG Fuel Line kit

IAG V3 Rails



Hard wiring a fuel pump is unnecessary unless you're for sure having power supply issues to the pump.
 

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...I'm pretty sure money and even my car means more to me than yours to you. I never would have looked up 500hp and bought a turbo for it...
ive been biting my proverbial tongue throughout your condescending remarks but you're really starting to irritate me. i dont know if its intentional or if its an internet thing where there is no sense of tone so i can't quite tell if you're truly being a dick or if i'm just reading things the wrong way.

however, what my car and my money mean to me have zero impact on the questions being asked, so this little comment has no business being here unless it is meant to be rude. i made this money you didn't, so it doesn't concern you.

OP: You originally came in to ask for help regarding fuel set up... let's bring it back to basics... Now that I know you have no E85 available, I will change some things up a bit in my list:


ID1050x Injectors
DW65c or DW300c Pump


The Following items are not necessary for the 1.5xtr but is a good idea to do. Switching to a parallel fuel system is safer IMO. Your stock rails, hard lines and FPR are fine for the 1.5xtr power range.


Aeromotive A1000 FPR

IAG Fuel Line kit

IAG V3 Rails



Hard wiring a fuel pump is unnecessary unless you're for sure having power supply issues to the pump.
actually almost exactly what i bought, with the exception of the pump, which is an AEM 320 since i already have one
 

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ive been biting my proverbial tongue throughout your condescending remarks but you're really starting to irritate me. i dont know if its intentional or if its an internet thing where there is no sense of tone so i can't quite tell if you're truly being a dick or if i'm just reading things the wrong way.
Your not reading things the wrong way! It's also possible I have. On the the other hand your attitude has had the kind of the same same effect on me.

however, what my car and my money mean to me have zero impact on the questions being asked, so this little comment has no business being here unless it is meant to be rude. i made this money you didn't, so it doesn't concern you.
True enough! Still, you'd be better off not rushing which to me means waiting till you know more or get real help. Your are located in the Subie capitol of the US There are phenomenal shops that could help you out!

Still, I beleive that I have been honest and given you good advice
 

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The Following items are not necessary for the 1.5xtr but is a good idea to do. Switching to a parallel fuel system is safer IMO, but your stock rails, hard lines and FPR are fine for the 1.5xtr power range.


Aeromotive A1000 FPR

IAG Fuel Line kit

IAG V3 Rails



Hard wiring a fuel pump is unnecessary unless you're for sure having power supply issues to the pump.
Correct. But it also depends on HOW you are hardwiring your pump. My preferred method is still to use the subaru controller, just with bigger power lines and a relay and breaker. If you don't know what I'm talking about then there is a whole other level to think about. the PWM controller on subaru turns the pump on and off to simulate giving 33%, 66% or 100% of power. This is designed so that you don't burn out your pump motor.

AEM 320 is fine too. I also forgot to add a GR stumble kit from COBB or IAP.
If he is going to run parallel lines then a stumble kit is not needed. Correctly done parallel lines eliminates the stumble naturally, although radium and I think? IAG make rails with the ability to put fuel dampeners in if you want to.

Also from the first post edit I wanted to state that the OP has made a MAJOR decision. a 1.5xtr is NOT a 71lb/ min turbo. Far from it. it is a 49lb/ min turbo.
 

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ive been biting my proverbial tongue throughout your condescending remarks but you're really starting to irritate me. i dont know if its intentional or if its an internet thing where there is no sense of tone so i can't quite tell if you're truly being a dick or if i'm just reading things the wrong way.
You're not reading it wrong. I'm not sure what happened, but in recent months, mheyman has been annoyingly harsh to others. There's being honest, and then there's that other threshold which he's surpassed.

The forums are a great place to learn. The disclaimer sticker we use is because in the age of Facebook groups, there isn't much people will do to learn their own build. They take random people's advice and then whine when it doesn't work out. Honestly, IWSTI has been able to stay away from that for some reason unlike NASIOC. It's just a blanket cover to refer people to their local shops or tuners, which isn't right. Some of us have lost the benefit of the doubt that the poster will do their part and research and review their own findings and our suggestions parallel to their local expert's advice.


Anyways...

Your build follows mine closely, and there are a few others that can give you a good direction with actual results before putting down your hard earned dollars. I highly recommend going through people's journals, learning and reading through what worked and especially what didn't. This was the best way I learned and picked my parts list.
 

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Also from the first post edit I wanted to state that the OP has made a MAJOR decision. a 1.5xtr is NOT a 71lb/ min turbo. Far from it. it is a 49lb/ min turbo.
That’s correct. With advice, I made the decision to break-in the motor on the old turbo. I didn’t want to reuse the old turbo because the engine suffered a bearing failure, but rather than not have enough fuel to properly tune the car or replacing the injectors and having so much fuel that washing the rings becomes a potential issue, I decided to just flush the old turbo out with a thinner oil and compressed air.

Full disclosure, many late nights and long hours between work, personal life, and my other projects and I bought a FP Black before realizing I completely overlooked upgrading my fuel(car is still in parts so no harm no foul, I swapped it out for a FMIC which I’ll need in the future anyway). I’m already $12k in this week on the engine build plus another $8k on a Ducati restoration in the last month or so, and so I would really rather not spend any more money on the car before Xmas, certainly not the $7k or so required to get where I want to be. The way I see it, I can’t make any LESS power by using the same turbo with head work, cams, a header, and FMIC. Probably shift everything a bit to the right, but I’ll manage until Q2 2019.

You're not reading it wrong. I'm not sure what happened, but in recent months, mheyman has been annoyingly harsh to others. There's being honest, and then there's that other threshold which he's surpassed.

The forums are a great place to learn. The disclaimer sticker we use is because in the age of Facebook groups, there isn't much people will do to learn their own build. They take random people's advice and then whine when it doesn't work out. Honestly, IWSTI has been able to stay away from that for some reason unlike NASIOC. It's just a blanket cover to refer people to their local shops or tuners, which isn't right. Some of us have lost the benefit of the doubt that the poster will do their part and research and review their own findings and our suggestions parallel to their local expert's advice.


Anyways...

Your build follows mine closely, and there are a few others that can give you a good direction with actual results before putting down your hard earned dollars. I highly recommend going through people's journals, learning and reading through what worked and especially what didn't. This was the best way I learned and picked my parts list.
Thanks for the insight ;)
 

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Correct. But it also depends on HOW you are hardwiring your pump. My preferred method is still to use the subaru controller, just with bigger power lines and a relay and breaker. If you don't know what I'm talking about then there is a whole other level to think about. the PWM controller on subaru turns the pump on and off to simulate giving 33%, 66% or 100% of power. This is designed so that you don't burn out your pump motor.



If he is going to run parallel lines then a stumble kit is not needed. Correctly done parallel lines eliminates the stumble naturally, although radium and I think? IAG make rails with the ability to put fuel dampeners in if you want to.

Also from the first post edit I wanted to state that the OP has made a MAJOR decision. a 1.5xtr is NOT a 71lb/ min turbo. Far from it. it is a 49lb/ min turbo.

I know. I said the stumble kit if he chooses not to run IAG rails, because it wouldn't be necessary to upgrade the fuel lines on a 1.5xtr
 

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Hardly anyone comes across correctly on the interwebs and that is why some forums have Moderators. If needed, I can return this entire conversation to civility with a few keystrokes.

Does that need to happen? OP, what do you think? It was/is your thread.
 

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Hardly anyone comes across correctly on the interwebs and that is why some forums have Moderators. If needed, I can return this entire conversation to civility with a few keystrokes.

Does that need to happen? OP, what do you think? It was/is your thread.
No no not by any means. I’m an adult and know how to let things like this go. Besides that, I’ve already made my mind up on what I’m doing with the car, at least for the next few months.

Moving forward I’ll seek mod/build consultation elsewhere.

Thanks for the help
 

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I was reprimanded for being harsh, probably by by someone else I was harsh to at some point. I'm not apologizing, but neither am I beyond listening to others and attempting to be more diplomatic. However you feel, know that I have at least re-read this thread and thought about it.

I was tempted to quote a lot more here but I'm going to try to summarize:

OP asked questions about fueling a stock intercooler and FBP Black. I took the trouble of learning that it was a "71lb" turbo. and replied:

Stop. Since money is not the issue - STOP! Just Stop! until you actually have this figured out! Perhaps someone else will let you know if there is any point at all in having such a big turbo on a stock intercooler. I'm not very knowledgeable about recent years . . . I know the intercoolers changed for the better, but I have doubts if it was enough to run your proposed setup. You'd be pushin a Spearco in a GD, so I suspect your power goals really put you into the FMIC category.
In the very first response to the OP I nailed it and everything that went on on for several pages. He took offense that I made it apparent he didn't know that he was doing and really needed to make other changes. I was not pushing bigger or smaller, but a build that worked together. Really everyone else agreed and eventually even he decided that a different turbo would at least temporarily fit the build better.

I am not what I consider an expert and I'm here primarily to learn myself! I am all for DIYs and I try to help others. But, I have strong doubts about whether the OP has enough time to learn what he needs in the time frame he related. This is why I implored him to seek real assistance. There is plenty of poor advice on the web and as I mentioned, you have to be knowledgeable enough yourself to ferret out the good info, and not to believe me over someone else or vice versa.
 

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You're not wrong. There is a lot of misinformation on the Web and we are trying to prevent people from having problems in the future.

at least the guy realized that he needed to change some things up in order to make everything work.

I am hopeful that eventually the original poster will finally be able to be like us, it person that can help other people make the right decisions.

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...OP asked questions about fueling a stock intercooler and FBP Black. I took the trouble of learning that it was a "71lb" turbo...

He took offense that I made it apparent he didn't know that he was doing... and eventually even he decided that a different turbo would at least temporarily fit the build better.

...I have strong doubts about whether the OP has enough time to learn what he needs in the time frame he related. This is why I implored him to seek real assistance...
A: I asked for advice on a fuel setup for a build. i don't know what the limits are for the stock fuel lines running from the pump to the rails or for the rails and regulator themselves. i also dont know at what point a surge tank becomes mandatory. additionally, i simply stated that i still have the stock intercooler as i haven't chosen a new TMIC without measuring and didn't want to run a front mount. that ship has sailed and the ETS 3.5" FMIC is on the way. furthermore, rather than risk having to ask any more questions i went ahead with new IAG rails, Aeromotive regulator and IAG engine bay lines. i figured while these upgrades may not be necessary now, they will help to future-proof the car. i can not emphasize this enough: i dont like doing/buying the same thing twice. i guess -8 lines and radium dual pump hanger is next on the agenda, as i would really rather not have a surge tank in the trunk.

B: i didn't take offense to what you said, i just didn't like the way you "said" it. i came here for information, not to be insulted. i am so friggin sick of forum members dismissing peoples questions because they have been asked before("use the search button") or because the person replying feels the need to talk down to someone and assume they are idiots. if you dont have anything constructive to contribute, you dont have to reply. im not aiming this directly at you, just the internet in general.

C: when i originally posted this i was mostly expecting real-world experienced responses in which i could follow the post history and build trail on the responders through their profile. IMHO, its ignorant to call a tuner and expect them to spend an hour on the phone answering my questions knowing full well that they aren't making a dime off the parts/labor for the car. these guys basically make $200-500 an hour to tune a car, which while i would if i had to, i would rather not pay for a consultation. a tuners job is to make the car run safely and hopefully make power at the same time. some tuners are also builders who can comfortably sell me a $25K turn-key solution that may or may not be better than what i can build myself for half the price. in addition, i enjoy the building part of it. i have a full array of professional tools and a full garage at my disposal. i can operate a torque wrench as well as anybody else, so there is no need for me to pay someone else $120/hr. if i cant do it myself, a dear friend has the highest producing subaru repair garage ive ever seen, and he charges me about $40/hr.

so, all that being said, once again i came here for fuel system suggestions. yes, it was a real boner move to forget about fuel system after buying everything else for the build, but i admit my ignorance and started over with a new thread. i had/have no intention of just blindly buying whatever someone said to buy. if i got a response like "well, for the FP Black on 93 octane you're going to want ID2000's, upgraded rails/lines/FPR, something like a Walbro 450 in-tank, and you'll need to upgrade the lines running from the tank to the bay. -6 or -8 should be sufficient." this would warrant further investigation and moved to the "suggestions" column. if someone told me to put toluene in my fuel tank and i would be fine, this would be ignored and forgotten forever. once i have collected all the data, i could then at least approach my tuner with some sort of expectations on what id need to make it all work.

instead, im just going to upgrade everything but my turbo, pump, and injectors so i can get the engine assembled and broken in. once that is done, i'll call Radium and upgrade the fuel lines and pump setup, and start shopping for a turbo or rotated kit.
 

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Glad to see your still here. Your endpoint is ambitious, and I wish you the best with it!
 
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