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I am in Northern NJ, drove by a dealer in Ramsey on 17 North (Mazda/Subaru)...
Saw 2 STis (Blue - silver and White - gold) parked right in front of dealership.. WOW, really nice looking cars.. A young dealer saw me admiring the STis and rushed to help me.. His first words were: I drove one today and it's unbelievable.. His second words were: My friend has brand new M3 but this is better. His reputation was immediately diminished in my eyes.. I kept myself quiet and thought: this is gonna be entertaining.. He went on describing the car, blah blah, everything I knew for about 1/2 a year now thanks to forums, Subaru web site, etc..
Then he went on: We have about 6 people in line for this car, BUT we are only marking them UP $5000, as opposed to 2 other local dealers marking them $8k and $11k over, and he went on telling me the dealers names (yes, here in NJ, we are fortunate to have 3 Subaru dealerships within 10 mile radius)... I am like: Get outta here, but my mouth didnt move a bit and I thought: WOW, this guy is more entertaining than I originally thought...
When I inquired about choosing wheel color - he said: u cant pick that!!!! U can only pick the vehicle color and rushed me towards to windows sticket, where he pointed and read to me the wheel color listed, and tried to use this as a proof... I was lost for a bit there.. I know first few allocations are given/chosen by Subaru and simply given to dealers, but can someone confirm if this is true? I would definitely wanna be able to pick me wheel color..
Then the funny happened: He is like: This car is very sporty that it requires a huge wing in the back AND..... the wing FLEXES on PURPOSE... so does Aluminum hood. I looked at him in AWE (literally), as he rushed to the front of the white STi to open the hood and make me grab it in order for me to weigh in.. Hood and Wing flex as designed by Subaru for this super sport car, he repeated......... Go on already, I thought....
He let me sit inside one, it was nice, gauges were in nice red color and interior didnt feel as cramped as EVO (which I saw about 45 minutes previously)...
He went inside and took my info, as I carefully warned him:
I want silver with silver wheels, all 3 options (turbo gauge, Center armrest and wheel locks), not a penny more than MSRP and don't even attempt to call me if u can't give me that exact car for MRP or less...
He suddenly went into defense mode and said: If u can get me in writing the MSRP or lesses price from ANY subaru dealership, we will gladly MATCH it immediately.. I thought: not the dealer games again, I am too old for this, but my lips didn't move a bit again... After reading many many posts here how many ocol dealers (including Murley) sell @ MSRP only, made me think, oh well.. too bad I wont pay a penny over MSRP and I am not aobut to start racing around dealerships trying to get MSRP contracts in writing.. I do understand that I live in Northern NJ, where every 3rd house costs more than 1/2 a million bucks and there are TONS of rich corporate folks, including young adults with high paying tech jobs and fat wallets with money to burn... So I thought: I undertsand that dealer is trying to make that $5000 profit mark up and they probably will. and I am a potential customer but my name hsould go in the back of the list since I am not willing to pay over MSRP..
Surprisingly he didn't offer me to get in line for my MSRP Subaru, even though I clearly mentioned a few times that I would be happy to get on one..
About Mitsubishi dealership: Went right before Subaru Dealerhsip.. Holy moly.. There were 3 outside and 5 inside.. 2 outside were spoken for, or so the dealer said and so they looked, since they were locked and looked preped for delivery.. One outside was available for test drive (which I was denied, since he said: ONLY if u very serious about getting the car asap), but my mistake I mentioned that I wasnt planning on buying a car today or withing 30 days, for that matter.. So my TD was denied, and I dont miss it just yet.. So it looks like there are PLENTY of EVOs in dealerships, even with Movie kraze and everyone rushing to get the same one as our movie hero drove... I see the same trend coming up with STi, limited, but definitely availablle to every wingle "JOE" with $31k burning in their pockets.... $3000 market adjust on the Stickers, but I am sure they were easily moved @ MSRP if I was ready to make a deal...

Murley, how about writing me $500 over invoice written contract for STi please? I will pay u $300 for it as soon as my dealer will match/beat that contract (as they promised). :)
 

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oh ye, he also said that armrest, turbo gauge and wheels locks are DEALER installed and NOT port installed, as I was trying to tell him..
 

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Why work with someone like that at all man? The guy is obviously a cheeseball, making things up, lying to you about color choice.....

Don't take offense to this, but if I was Murley, I wouldn't offer up any of my time to help you give your business to someone like that. Yeah, he'll make a lot selling over MSRP, but he is also making a ton selling at MSRP.

I had a great conversation with my dealer (Chris Larson at Jim Miller Subaru) the day before yesterday. We were laughing about all the people complaining about their dealers on here. This is the context of what he said to me.

"You know, our dealership never sells any car over MSRP. The people around here might pay it and it might make us more money, but you know what? If I sell someone a car at MSRP or below, they'll probably be back, not because of just the price, but everything else [service, friendly]. If I take someone for over MSRP, why would they want to come back later? That just gives them a 'con' for not wanting to deal with us again."

Maybe I'm a sucker for Midwest hospitality, but I don't have the slightest problem driving 6 hours to shake Chris's hand on this deal. And you know what, if/when I buy another Subaru, he'll be the first person I call....and ask for by name. Oh, I could walk down the street right now and have the car in the garage tonight, but the dealer here in KC is the same type as your guy there. And I don't want to make anyone like your dealer think it's ok and acceptable to be such an ass, let alone pay him for it.

You are completely mislead by the way cars are being handed out. YOU CAN CHOSE EXACTLY WHAT CAR YOU WANT. Don't believe me? I'll have pictures of mine in a few weeks, just as ordered. The options are wheel locks, armrest, dimming mirror and security system. Those are port installed. If they weren't why would my dealer have had to specify it to the port? I'm sure they love a bunch of info they don't need. The turbo gauge was a port option in limited numbers apparently. I was not offered that as a port option. I'm sure your dealer could put it in for you though.
 

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Rob, I am moving to Mid-west.. here, in NJ, we make a little bit more money, but house mortgages are about $4000 a month + $12,000 a year in property taxes and our subaru dealer charging over MSRP.. and our roads are horrible and we stuck in traffic 24/7... Our car insurance runs about $3000 a year for a person over 25 without any points (aka me)..
Time to look for a job in midwest.. Forbes just named Austin, TX then best city for young adults to move in.. I can see why..
$100,000 nice houses with pools, comparable $60k+ IT salaries (my field)
great smooth roads, insurance about $1000 a year for STi
 

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Congrats. You'll find that people here seem to enjoy life more.

Something about being able to get out of the concrete jungle and enjoy clear air, grassy fields, a nice large back yard.....

Honestly, I don't know how people live in cities like Chicago and New York. If you were raised there, you probably know no different...but man, I spend about two days in Chicago and I'm crying to go home.
 

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lol, I hear u... There is def. a difference, and I know it, since I was born in Russian, where its nothing but grassfield and stuff..

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Congrats. You'll find that people here seem to enjoy life more.

Something about being able to get out of the concrete jungle and enjoy clear air, grassy fields, a nice large back yard.....

Honestly, I don't know how people live in cities like Chicago and New York. If you were raised there, you probably know no different...but man, I spend about two days in Chicago and I'm crying to go home.
 

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DONT GET THE FACTORY TURBO GAUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's green lighting and gets in the way of the outside temp gauge...
 

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Texas in August? UGH! You guys need to visit weather.com before you think about that. (Speaking as a former Texas resident)

There are plenty of places selling at MSRP, especially if you're willing to drive out of state. As a bonus, the farther you drive the closer to break-in you'll be!
 
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