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As much as I like the STi, there is no way it will pull 1 G because of simple physics. Look at the height, weight and its distribution (I assume similar to the wrx) and amount of rubber on the road, then compare to the Corvette Z06 which pulls 1G. In every above category the Z06 specs are better, so there is no chance of 1G. In fact, I'd be really surprised if it pulls .96G (911 Turbo).
I dunno we'll see. The MkIV Supra weighs more (around 3800lbs) and still pulls around 1G..the Evo which is a near twin (Evo is a little lighter) pulls a 1G..so I dunno. Its not just weight, tire patch, height and distribution. The STi is not as nearly "loose" as the WRX. It has reinforced internal body pieces, etc, etc.
I think we are all looking forward to test results..I know I am..
I think we are all looking forward to test results..I know I am..
Regarding the MkIV Supra, very nice street car which can be easly modded to well over 400hp and kick the butt of a lot of exotics. But, when it comes to handling it's a pig! Gone against a couple at the open-track - at the limit they are pigs. I've seen them all at the track, and the truth is, stock for stock, the Z06 is the absolutely best handling car I've seen, granted I don't see Modena 360s at the track 
True the Supra is a heavy and LOOOONNNG car, but it still handles near a 1G...which was the original question. Yeah the Z06 is just a sweet car..I'd take the 360 over it though.. :lol:
Check out www.racingflix.com There is a section called "complilations where in Japan they race a 360 MT, 360 F1 shift, M3 6spd, M3 SMG, Evo GSR, and Evo RS. The 360 MT pulls the quickest lap, but the Evo GSR (read: similar to STi) won by over 2 seconds!
Check out www.racingflix.com There is a section called "complilations where in Japan they race a 360 MT, 360 F1 shift, M3 6spd, M3 SMG, Evo GSR, and Evo RS. The 360 MT pulls the quickest lap, but the Evo GSR (read: similar to STi) won by over 2 seconds!
I downloaded the Evo/ME/360m MPEG, wow! I hope the STi is similar to the EVO, it spanked them badly!!!
Regarding the Supra - I couldn't find any references to 1G by doing a search on google, and my track experience tells me otherwise, but hey, no worries, I am not getting a Supra, only an STi (or a Z06, not decided yet).
Regarding the Supra - I couldn't find any references to 1G by doing a search on google, and my track experience tells me otherwise, but hey, no worries, I am not getting a Supra, only an STi (or a Z06, not decided yet).
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I ran against a bunch of exotics at a track event in my Supra. I was on the ass of a new Diablo in front of me on every corner, too bad we were not allowed to pass. On the couple straights where we could he would not signal to let me. I did pass my share of other exotics and just about lapped a newer 911TT, one more lap and I would have. I only let one guy in a 355 pass me, he passed everyone which is why a lot of times it all comes down to the driver. My suspension setup is not stock though, but I also don't push my car quite as hard as I could. Something about loosing it or something happening to cause me to go off and hit a wall, keeps me from going all out. Another thing you have to consider, stock the Supra is basically 93 technology. When the Supra first came out there was not much that could match it this side of $100k. It was also labeled as one of the best braking cars ever tested by one car mag. I would hope a Z06 would be better considering how much newer it is and what they go for. A better comparison would be with the ZR1 vette, and the Supra had no problem against one of those and look what they went for new. Also, the Surpa was built more as a GT touring car not like some of the more purpose built sports cars. The Supra does weigh a lot but I would not consider it a pig. A local guy in a Supra still holds the lap record at one of the local tracks and another guy who races more in official events used to always place in the top 3. That was all with stock Supras too. My experince tells me it all comes down to the driver, but you can't knock a Supra in the hands of an experienced driver.
BTW, the Supra was quoted as pulling .98G stock. It says it in my 93 brochure and in a few old car mags that had articles about it I have laying around somewhere.
I ran against a bunch of exotics at a track event in my Supra. I was on the ass of a new Diablo in front of me on every corner, too bad we were not allowed to pass. On the couple straights where we could he would not signal to let me. I did pass my share of other exotics and just about lapped a newer 911TT, one more lap and I would have. I only let one guy in a 355 pass me, he passed everyone which is why a lot of times it all comes down to the driver. My suspension setup is not stock though, but I also don't push my car quite as hard as I could. Something about loosing it or something happening to cause me to go off and hit a wall, keeps me from going all out. Another thing you have to consider, stock the Supra is basically 93 technology. When the Supra first came out there was not much that could match it this side of $100k. It was also labeled as one of the best braking cars ever tested by one car mag. I would hope a Z06 would be better considering how much newer it is and what they go for. A better comparison would be with the ZR1 vette, and the Supra had no problem against one of those and look what they went for new. Also, the Surpa was built more as a GT touring car not like some of the more purpose built sports cars. The Supra does weigh a lot but I would not consider it a pig. A local guy in a Supra still holds the lap record at one of the local tracks and another guy who races more in official events used to always place in the top 3. That was all with stock Supras too. My experince tells me it all comes down to the driver, but you can't knock a Supra in the hands of an experienced driver.
BTW, the Supra was quoted as pulling .98G stock. It says it in my 93 brochure and in a few old car mags that had articles about it I have laying around somewhere.
Pretty amazing video huh? I was shocked too! Of course this is a JDM Evo so it had the electronic gizmos helping the handling, but the STi will have DCCD. I would venture to say that with the right driver the STi would have similar results with the M3 and 360 on a track..kg said:I downloaded the Evo/ME/360m MPEG, wow! I hope the STi is similar to the EVO, it spanked them badly!!!
Regarding the Supra - I couldn't find any references to 1G by doing a search on google, and my track experience tells me otherwise, but hey, no worries, I am not getting a Supra, only an STi (or a Z06, not decided yet).
Here is the link to the video:
http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=75&p=3
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woohoo. awesome video. *thanks* for posting this. it is so hard to believe the gta was able to hold off the m3. i would really like to see a second race with the starting grid reversed. the big boys seemed to be stepping over each other most of the race. if the evo could throught he pack in this scenario, then i'd be really impressed. i'm gonna go find s'more cool videos.91TB78 said:
I'm sorry, I know this might be sacriledge to say this on this forum, but AWD does NOT "increase handling" nor does it have ANYTHING to do with the maximum lateral acceleration of a car. It is a function of weight, contact patch, surface, tires, and 50 other variables I'm not going to list...none of which are AWD...sorry, but it's true.yxan2 said:
To pay homage to the Subaru guys, though, I am considering selling my daily-driver 98 Integra Type R to buy an STi, so Subaru must be doing *something* right.
I think he was meaning that around corners in a more powerful car, AWD helps to distribute the power evenly, so essentially increasing handling b/c the car is going to be easier to toss around..especially compared to the Z06..which takes a better driver to prevent oversteer.dfauth said:I'm sorry, I know this might be sacriledge to say this on this forum, but AWD does NOT "increase handling" nor does it have ANYTHING to do with the maximum lateral acceleration of a car. It is a function of weight, contact patch, surface, tires, and 50 other variables I'm not going to list...none of which are AWD...sorry, but it's true.yxan2 said:
To pay homage to the Subaru guys, though, I am considering selling my daily-driver 98 Integra Type R to buy an STi, so Subaru must be doing *something* right.
yes sir, thanks for putting that down on a more understandable level than I did91TB78 said:I think he was meaning that around corners in a more powerful car, AWD helps to distribute the power evenly, so essentially increasing handling b/c the car is going to be easier to toss around..especially compared to the Z06..which takes a better driver to prevent oversteer.dfauth said:I'm sorry, I know this might be sacriledge to say this on this forum, but AWD does NOT "increase handling" nor does it have ANYTHING to do with the maximum lateral acceleration of a car. It is a function of weight, contact patch, surface, tires, and 50 other variables I'm not going to list...none of which are AWD...sorry, but it's true.yxan2 said:
To pay homage to the Subaru guys, though, I am considering selling my daily-driver 98 Integra Type R to buy an STi, so Subaru must be doing *something* right.
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