Just out of pure curiosity......
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You know what, nevermind. Every time i look up a review, or watch a video of a WRX in action, a fall completely in love with it over and over again. I WILL get a WRX, its just a matter of time. Wow its early 4:00 A.M. here in Livermore, CA. Just another teen out and about, except at home. Im goin to bed. Late
Mikey,
NO WAY!!! THat is a DSM (Diamond Star Motors) car which was a joint venture with Mitsu and Damiler Chrysler! YUCK! I would not buy a Mitsu car..horrible resale and bad cars...reliability wise.
One thing to think of b/c I know you will be tempted to do this if you get a WRX...DO NOT DUMP THE CLUTCH!!!! I mean sure once or so, but I guarantee you will be replacing the tranny b/c of stripped gears and I bet most dealers will not warrant that since it is covered under abuse.
Just letting you know that the WRX tranny is not designed for that...but there is aftermarket!
NO WAY!!! THat is a DSM (Diamond Star Motors) car which was a joint venture with Mitsu and Damiler Chrysler! YUCK! I would not buy a Mitsu car..horrible resale and bad cars...reliability wise.
One thing to think of b/c I know you will be tempted to do this if you get a WRX...DO NOT DUMP THE CLUTCH!!!! I mean sure once or so, but I guarantee you will be replacing the tranny b/c of stripped gears and I bet most dealers will not warrant that since it is covered under abuse.
Just letting you know that the WRX tranny is not designed for that...but there is aftermarket!
Re: Homologation
Lol, thanks. Although I know its not wise, there is always the time you want to show off your power. I did a 5.5k N-D drop in my auto celica supra. After a few times, I now have to let off the gas before the car shifts into second gear, or else it makes the clang, and the rear wheels drag a bit.
Lol, thanks. Although I know its not wise, there is always the time you want to show off your power. I did a 5.5k N-D drop in my auto celica supra. After a few times, I now have to let off the gas before the car shifts into second gear, or else it makes the clang, and the rear wheels drag a bit.
Mikey,
I figured you would know better, and of course the testosterone in all of us will make us act up from time to tiime, but just be aware...take a look at www.i-club.com to see all the guys with blown trannies on cars less than a year old! YIKES!
I figured you would know better, and of course the testosterone in all of us will make us act up from time to tiime, but just be aware...take a look at www.i-club.com to see all the guys with blown trannies on cars less than a year old! YIKES!
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JJ--some info on service?
I know you already said never mind, but I'm going to go ahead and post this anyway. I currently drive a '97 Talon TSi AWD. This is essentially the same car as the Mitubishi Eclipse GS-X. My wife drives a '96 Eclipse GS-T Spyder. IMHO, if you're the kind of driver that likes the WRX, you should love the way the Talon TSi AWD or Eclipse GSX drives and feels. The AWD system is very good, and HP and torque are roughly the same as a WRX. The main drawbacks compared to a WRX is that the suspension is not of the same quality, and the back seat is not "functional". However, considering the price you can get one for, they're definately not a bad car to have while you wait for an STI or EVO if an AWD sports coupe is what you're looking for.
Now, on to the car you originally asked about, the GS-T Spyder (spyder = convertable). The main problem with this car is that it doesn't have AWD. If it was a RWD car it wouldn't be much of a problem, but as it happens it's FWD. This means that you get torque steer, and if you floor the car off the line, when you hit 3500 RPMs, there's a LOT of torque steer. If you're not used to it, you could easily find yourself doing involuntary lane changes the first time it happens. Once you're used to it it's not that bad, just an annoyance more than anything. However you still have all of the hadling problems typical of FWD cars. The other problem is that the convertible top takes what was a very solid feeling body and introduces a certain amount of flex and roll into the body. Not something you'd notice in everyday driving, but on winding or bumpy roads you can feel the difference.
They're both very nice cars, and have held up fairly well for us. Other people we know with similar cars have had large numbers of problems. The clutch tends to go out around 60K miles even if you're easy on the clutch. I've seen others go as early as 30K, and seen trannies that need to be repaced at 60K or earlier. Also, because they use rubber timing belts and have interference engines (like most mitubishi cars) it's important that the timing belt be replaced at 60K miles. Like any other car, get a mechanic familiar with DSM automobiles to look it over before you take one used.
I know you already said never mind, but I'm going to go ahead and post this anyway. I currently drive a '97 Talon TSi AWD. This is essentially the same car as the Mitubishi Eclipse GS-X. My wife drives a '96 Eclipse GS-T Spyder. IMHO, if you're the kind of driver that likes the WRX, you should love the way the Talon TSi AWD or Eclipse GSX drives and feels. The AWD system is very good, and HP and torque are roughly the same as a WRX. The main drawbacks compared to a WRX is that the suspension is not of the same quality, and the back seat is not "functional". However, considering the price you can get one for, they're definately not a bad car to have while you wait for an STI or EVO if an AWD sports coupe is what you're looking for.
Now, on to the car you originally asked about, the GS-T Spyder (spyder = convertable). The main problem with this car is that it doesn't have AWD. If it was a RWD car it wouldn't be much of a problem, but as it happens it's FWD. This means that you get torque steer, and if you floor the car off the line, when you hit 3500 RPMs, there's a LOT of torque steer. If you're not used to it, you could easily find yourself doing involuntary lane changes the first time it happens. Once you're used to it it's not that bad, just an annoyance more than anything. However you still have all of the hadling problems typical of FWD cars. The other problem is that the convertible top takes what was a very solid feeling body and introduces a certain amount of flex and roll into the body. Not something you'd notice in everyday driving, but on winding or bumpy roads you can feel the difference.
They're both very nice cars, and have held up fairly well for us. Other people we know with similar cars have had large numbers of problems. The clutch tends to go out around 60K miles even if you're easy on the clutch. I've seen others go as early as 30K, and seen trannies that need to be repaced at 60K or earlier. Also, because they use rubber timing belts and have interference engines (like most mitubishi cars) it's important that the timing belt be replaced at 60K miles. Like any other car, get a mechanic familiar with DSM automobiles to look it over before you take one used.
All quiet since ROTW...
talonTSiawd, whats an interference engine? my guess til you post a reply is an engine designed around the principle of "if it can break, it will" and has parts that are made to wearout at a certain time and/or speed. just curious b/c ive never seen the terminology.
peace
talonTSiawd, whats an interference engine? my guess til you post a reply is an engine designed around the principle of "if it can break, it will" and has parts that are made to wearout at a certain time and/or speed. just curious b/c ive never seen the terminology.
peace
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Another reason we might not get true STi seats..
An "interference engine" is one that is designed such that the valves and piston head occupy the same space at different times. Under normal operation, this is not a problem, since the timing belt keeps the valves from being in an open position when the piston is up. However, if the timing belt breaks the valves and the piston can (and probably will) colide. The best thing that can happen is that you'll bend a valve. You could also end up putting a hole in the piston, or with little pieces of valve all over the place inside the cylinder. These events are what my mechanic refers to as "Bad".
Most import cars have an interference engine design (BMW, Honda, Hyudai, Nissan, Toyota etc.), also, all deisel engines tend to be interference engines. This isn't really a problem if the cars uses a steel timing belt, as these are generally designed to last the life of the car.
However, some manufactures (Mitsubishi and DSM are the only ones I'm aware of) are silly enough to combine an interference engine with rubber timing belts. These belts are only designed to last for 60K miles, and if they aren't replaced in a timly fashion, a serious repair bill is in order. DSM cars in particular are notorious for this, at least partly because Chrysler/Eagle/Dodge dealers and repair facilities didn't warn DSM owners (Laser, Talon, Stealth) in advance. Mitubishi dealers selling DSM cars (Eclipse, 3000GT) generally did inform their customers because all Mitsubishi's run in this fashion.
For more information, just go to www.google.com and type "interference engine" in for the search term. The first few sites listed have a better technical explanation for some of this.
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talonTSiawd, whats an interference engine? my guess til you post a reply is an engine designed around the principle of "if it can break, it will" and has parts that are made to wearout at a certain time and/or speed. just curious b/c ive never seen the terminology.
An "interference engine" is one that is designed such that the valves and piston head occupy the same space at different times. Under normal operation, this is not a problem, since the timing belt keeps the valves from being in an open position when the piston is up. However, if the timing belt breaks the valves and the piston can (and probably will) colide. The best thing that can happen is that you'll bend a valve. You could also end up putting a hole in the piston, or with little pieces of valve all over the place inside the cylinder. These events are what my mechanic refers to as "Bad".
Most import cars have an interference engine design (BMW, Honda, Hyudai, Nissan, Toyota etc.), also, all deisel engines tend to be interference engines. This isn't really a problem if the cars uses a steel timing belt, as these are generally designed to last the life of the car.
However, some manufactures (Mitsubishi and DSM are the only ones I'm aware of) are silly enough to combine an interference engine with rubber timing belts. These belts are only designed to last for 60K miles, and if they aren't replaced in a timly fashion, a serious repair bill is in order. DSM cars in particular are notorious for this, at least partly because Chrysler/Eagle/Dodge dealers and repair facilities didn't warn DSM owners (Laser, Talon, Stealth) in advance. Mitubishi dealers selling DSM cars (Eclipse, 3000GT) generally did inform their customers because all Mitsubishi's run in this fashion.
For more information, just go to www.google.com and type "interference engine" in for the search term. The first few sites listed have a better technical explanation for some of this.
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talonTSiawd, whats an interference engine? my guess til you post a reply is an engine designed around the principle of "if it can break, it will" and has parts that are made to wearout at a certain time and/or speed. just curious b/c ive never seen the terminology.
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