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Intercooler discussion (front mount v. water-to-air)

43K views 82 replies 28 participants last post by  glud2rd  
I am going to try this, but I will likely take till the end of next month before I have any idea whether or not it will work. I had been pondering some way to do something like this. I will buy an ebay IC (godspeed is the one I am looking at) and I have the ability and equipment to design and build a water jacketing from aluminum. Some of my best friends are VERY good welders, were talking nuclear grade welders... This should be fun...
 
glud2rd said:
I just ran into this, and since there's a couple of pics of my '02 (WRB, with the black radiator in the lower grill) I thought I'd post some details.
Intercooler: JDM Turbo Legacy
Radiator: Ford Festiva (cools the intercooler water)
Pump: Jabsco Centripuppy 18510-0000
Coolant Lines: 3/4" heater hose
I ran this on my 2002 WRX (mods:VF-22,UTEC,740cc injectors,Catless exhaust) for about a year at 20psi and 11.5 AFR. It was running great until 2nd gear exploded - so I went to a 2005 STi. I'm actually in the process of installing this same intercooler and pump - but with a different (bigger) radiator - the Festiva radiator wasn't going to fit the way I wanted it to. As for performance, I don't have any temperature data, but I know that I could run it hard in 90 deg heat, and the temperature of the intercooler water wouldn't get too much above ambient. At least it felt like that when I'd pop the intercooler cap off and stick my finger into the coolant. I wouldn't recommend touching a TMIC after some hard runs - just ask all those charred bugs on there how hot it is :)
There's been alot said about heat soak, complexity etc.. But what I keep going back to is that water has 4 times the heat capacity of air (mass based) and 4000 times volumetrically. So it doesn't take too much water to take away alot of heat.
where did you install that radiator? I was thinking about using a motorcycle radiator and mounting it inside the driver side fenderwell and making some custom ducting from the fog light cover inlet. The festiva radiator wasnt big enough?
 
Meridock said:
IF it is to be done "right" some sorta of redundancy is needed - ie limp mode. whether it be dual loop, or fan assist, or something one of the common detractors is the possible fail points.


Since you are in Mid - A ; is it Andrewtech? or TXS?
My plan is to water jacket the end tanks, as I think that is where most of the heatsoak comes from... There is your redundency, you still have the ability to air cool...
 
stretch said:
The endtanks do not have any fins in them. They may get hot, but very little transfer of heat is occuring here. Water jacketing would do almost nothing, unless I'm misunderstanding.
you are absolutely right... I was talking to a friend, who is a cooling systems engineer for a major large displacement diesel r&d facility, about this earlier today and he said the same thing. My thought was that you could prevent the intercooler from getting hot by eliminating the heat from the endtanks, but I see the flaw in my thought.

I am interested in something like this if it were reasonably priced.