[Jag32]

I'm getting a Commando car alarm system with 2-way LCD pager, I have no need for the immobilizer.

 

[KiTsuNe]

Hey jag, you might be intrested in the LGT key. Its pretty awsome too. If i got a GC8 body style i'd rock one instead of the STi key.

 

[KiTsuNe]

 

[BHazel]

Is that an 06' key or a LGT key?

 

[scubadiver424]

I'm getting a Commando car alarm system with 2-way LCD pager, I have no need for the immobilizer.

Do you mean you dont need an immobilizer because you have the paging alarm? or because you think you need to change it because of remote start? Usually the good security systems only disable the immobilizer just for the amount of time it requires to remote start the car.

 

[scubadiver424]

i like that key a lot!

 

[KiTsuNe]

thats a LGT key you can get from www.fastwrx.com

 

[kts262]

No way would I ever disable my immobilizer (great anti-theft feature) just so I can have cooler looking key that only I would appreciate.

^^^^^^^^^^

+infinity

 

[Facinnreality]

The only reason i waited for an 05 was so i could have the immobilizer. Pointless thing to do unless you are getting an upgraded security system like the OP is.

 

[Jag32]

The immobilizer is also nothing special and easily defeated by any seasoned car thief, there are several threads over on NASIOC about it. The only immobilizer which is truly effective against theft is the one offered on GM cars - immobilizer's on most other vehicles are nothing more than a false sense of security for the owner.

 

[Nachos Libres]

^^ I'd have to disagree. While the immobilizer can be defeated, it isn't a false sense of security. Most likely an individual that could defeat the immobilizer would be one that knows the STi already, which aren't your everyday car vandals. But, in reality, no car is safe, no matter how good of an immobilizer or car alarm it has. But I think you are trying to justify your reason on using an '04 key instead one with a chip.

Ponder this, if it were truly so easy to bypass the immobilizer on our cars then why don't you do that instead of taking a chip out of one of your keys and sticking it close to the ignition.

 

[Jag32]

^^ I'd have to disagree. While the immobilizer can be defeated, it isn't a false sense of security. Most likely an individual that could defeat the immobilizer would be one that knows the STi already, which aren't your everyday car vandals. But, in reality, no car is safe, no matter how good of an immobilizer or car alarm it has. But I think you are trying to justify your reason on using an '04 key instead one with a chip.

Ponder this, if it were truly so easy to bypass the immobilizer on our cars then why don't you do that instead of taking a chip out of one of your keys and sticking it close to the ignition.

Because that would require ripping out wires and jump starting the car anytime I wanted to go somewhere .

Defeating the immobilizer has nothing to do with already knowing the STI, this immobilizer is not unique to the STI, it's a pretty much standard (and ineffective) system used on almost all brand new cars and they're all very similar. It is a false sense of security at best, and anyone who wants to steal your car, will. The best deterrent is a two-way pager alarm system, the second anything happens such as a window breaking or what have you, you get a page.

 

[Nachos Libres]

Because that would require ripping out wires and jump starting the car anytime I wanted to go somewhere .

Defeating the immobilizer has nothing to do with already knowing the STI, this immobilizer is not unique to the STI, it's a pretty much standard (and ineffective) system used on almost all brand new cars and they're all very similar. It is a false sense of security at best, and anyone who wants to steal your car, will. The best deterrent is a two-way pager alarm system, the second anything happens such as a window breaking or what have you, you get a page.

Lol, I know the immobilizer is not unique to the STI, but it's not as simple as just splicing some wires. Do you think that someone would put in an immobilizer which can easily be bypassed by splicing a couple of wires that any car vandal would know? No. And please don't say that a two-way pager is better than an immobilizer. An immobilizer is going to take some time and know-how to bypass. You install a two-way pager without an immobilzer then all they have to do is break a window and splice some wires, and who cares if you get paged or not, they will be out of there with your car before the cops get there.

EDIT: The immobilizer cannot be bypassed by splicing wires as the code is stored in the ECU. You would need to have a unit that bypasses the immobilizer (which would require a chip from your key or a master key) to bypass.

 

[Nachos Libres]

Hey Jag32, I'm not trying to bust your balls. I think we probably both agree that the immobilizer can be bypassed, we just have differing opinions on how hard it is to do so. And I'm just not one for removing theft deterrents, because that is one less thing a thief has to worry about when vandalizing a car. I do agree that a 2-way pager would be better than the stock alarm, but I would only install one that doesn't bypass the immobilizer.

 

[MeoW71]

Easy way. Friend just put the 04 key on the same ring as his 05 key and it worked with no problem.

 

[ilami01]

if it matters soo much, u should have gotten an 04

 

[rasetsu]

The '04 key will look super sweet in your hands when you come outside to find your 30k car stolen and gone. Do it.

Haha! That rocked.

I think we can all agree that if a thief really wants your car, they're going to get it. A friend of mine had multiple security layers on his Integra Type R and they still stole it.

The main benefit of having multiple layers of security is to deter a thief so that he will give up, is taking too long to bypass the security layers and thus interupted and has to abandon the plan or gets caught, or simply move on to the next car that is much easier to jack.

To me, defeating a standard security layer that you already paid for just to have a cool looking key is rather absurd. Sure, the paging system is a great idea, but why not keep the immobilizer on top of that too? A paging system isn't fool proof either. Let's say you are at Disneyland or even at the mall and your pager goes off. What are the chances of you or someone else making it to the car in time to stop the theft or break in? To each their own I suppose, but the benefits of leaving the immobilizer alone far outweighs the benefits of having a bling key to me. I sincerely hope you decide to leave your immobilizer alone if for no other reason than my selfishness so that your car has that .0000001% chance less of being stolen and keep my insurance premiums from going up.

 

[scubadiver424]

No offense fellas but I would way rather have an immobilizer somehow that maybe was impossible to defeat, then a two way pager, Im not going to put myself or fiance, or others in harms way because some jack___ is trying to rob my car, i would rather just have nothing work, HEY HOW BOUT THE COBB AP ANTI THEFT MAP

 

[scubadiver424]

any opinions about it?

 

[Nachos Libres]

any opinions about it?

I think some people use it but they say it is awfully tedious since you have to carry the AP with you and then flash the map everytime you want to use it. I have no personal experience with the CobbAP but I remember this topic being brought up before.