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After a massive accident last year (and having to go back to the shitty body shop a dozen or so times to fix/re-fix their screwups) my STI was never quite the same. I struggled with whether to trade or keep it for a very long time. The catalyst was twofold:

1. The new '14 FXT arrived and I fell in love after one test drive. I've grown up a bit, and maybe I never really was the type to own an STI - look at my MPG average in my sig to see what I mean :lol: I sure as hell enjoyed modding (what little I did) and when I could take advantage of the performance, it was amazing, but the '14 FXT felt like a better fit for me; whether because of the accident or not, it just felt great to drive.

2. After test driving the FXT I sat down and thought long and hard about whether to trade the STI in. While doing so, I realized how miserable I've been in it over the last year, dealing with the aftermath from the accident and other related (but not considered related by the insurance company) issues that made every single drive a reminder of that day. It would take substantial dollar-bucks to make the STI whole (outside of going back to the body shop again and again until it's right,) and there is not guarantee that other, more costly issues won't arise.

I usually choose power or practicality over form, but my wife talked me into splurging on a higher trim this time, and wouldn't let me get the non-turbo Forester. I brought home an XT Touring with the remote keyless/nav/HID/eyesight package in Venetian Red Pearl - another deviation from my typical SSM/DGM/etc (dark gray or silver) past preference.

It's night and day difference, and I don't find myself wanting for power while DD'ing, at least not yet. All of the aforementioned features make commuting almost a pleasure now, whereas the STI made it seem as if I was an Olympic athlete manacled at the ankles each day, only to be let loose (and actually enjoyed) on weekends and short jaunts onto the freeway. In every other way, the STI was a bit tedious to drive (flame suit on!)

Things I like:

1. Keys in pocket, grab the door handle and get in.

2. Keys in pocket, push a button and the engine comes to life.

3. 30 MPG highway indicated (only one 40 mile highway trip home from the dealer, so not anything conclusive as of yet.) Around town, indicated is mid 20's. With similar driving styles, I'm hoping to gain 3-4 MPG over my STI MPG ave.

4. The ride! On my way home from the test drive I noticed how freaking loud my car is. It's that way for a reason, and it almost never bothered me, but on long trips I would actually wear ear plugs to prevent excessive fatigue over long hauls. I can actually speak with a passenger in the FXT without having to literally face them or raise my voice. :lol:

Things I'll miss:

1. Speed/handling: The new FXT is surprisingly nimble and has some balls, but it's not even close to an STI. If you need that, then you will never be happy in an FXT. Fortunately, it was still an enjoyable ride and not as much of a tradeoff as I was expecting. Unless they offered a really nice gear box (yea, right!) I'm not sure I'd prefer rowing my own gears over the CVT in something like this. It was nothing like when I test drove the non-turbo Forester 2.5i - nothing.

2. The noises: I'm glad that you can hear the turbo spool in the FXT. I'll miss the gear whine and pretty much every other low-speed (or high boost) sound that the STI made. I always thought the gear whine while engine-braking down a hill in second during traffic was great (even though most passengers probably expected that noise to portend a tow truck and cab in our very near future.)

3. Play: I'm sure I'll catch the mod bug with the FXT soon enough, but it has enough to play with to keep me busy for a while. Besides, there's no Cobb solution as of yet, and I won't play Guinea pig when they do first release a solution, anyway, so I'll be spending a good amount of time on the stock tune, if I ever decide to tune.

4. The wave: Without the hood scoop, I'm not so sure any one will wave to me any more. :lol:

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Team O'Neil Winter Driving/Safety School:


Quick pics of the new XT:




I'll be sticking around, but my participation may fade as I lose interest in STI's and spend most of my time on the Forester forums. That is, unless the Forester forum really sucks, or the new STI comes out and there are tons of new things to read about!
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This is a sad day for the forums. I do hope you stay with us. Most moderators generally do ;)

Btw, I average 20-21mpg, and I have to admit, I try not to drive her too often because of that, but you know how hard that can be. However, a FXT isn't so bad, I wouldn't mind owning one to supplement the STI one day as I mature more later down the road. I'm liking the new FXT a lot as well, but I want that hoodscoop because Subaru so fast powah :)

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well, at least you're still in the scooby family. Thanks for all your advice in the past! Just the other day I saw that my car was getting 22 mpg and I was sooooo happy. I've never seen it that high since the tune lol. if i could just stay in i-mode longer.......
This is a sad day for the forums. I do hope you stay with us. Most moderators generally do ;)

Btw, I average 20-21mpg, and I have to admit, I try not to drive her too often because of that, but you know how hard that can be. However, a FXT isn't so bad, I wouldn't mind owning one to supplement the STI one day as I mature more later down the road. I'm liking the new FXT a lot as well, but I want that hoodscoop because Subaru so fast powah :)

Post pics!
I'll definitely be sticking around and contributing what I can, though now all of my posts will have to start out like, "IIRC, my STI used to..." :rolleyes:

My wife used to own a WRX, but when asked, she said she wouldn't want one again. She's worse than me, driving like a grandma most of the time. I'm sure she'd really enjoy it and take advantage of the power from time to time, but not often enough to justify purchasing another hot-hatch in the near future.

What I would like to do eventually, is have a three-car stable: FXT, economy car (currently Civic for my wife,) and a third project/fun-type car, like an older miata or maybe even a mint STI if I can find one - you know, something a decade old, but with a good body.

well, at least you're still in the scooby family. Thanks for all your advice in the past! Just the other day I saw that my car was getting 22 mpg and I was sooooo happy. I've never seen it that high since the tune lol. if i could just stay in i-mode longer.......
I honestly tried looking elsewhere, but nothing had what I was looking for. The closest was the Ford Escape WRT power and handling, but it just didn't cut it. I had one with the 2.0 Ecoboost engine for two weeks and while it was quick and handled well, it wasn't for me. I didn't like the Hyundai and Kia offerings, and won't buy GM.

Engine-braking and conservative driving go a long way, but these STI's simply can't get decent mileage on the highway at normal traffic speeds. Sure, I was able to get 30 MPG on the Jersey Turnpike driving a steady 60 MPH the entire time, but what fun is that? Around this area of I-95, getting the EPA rating means driving no more than the speed limit.

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Make no mistake iwsti, had I not been in an accident I would have driven this STI into the ground; Looking at what was offered and what I was getting for my money, buying a new '14 STI that looks identical to my own (for the most part) for substantially more money than I paid for mine seemed foolish. Who knows what the '15 STI will be like. If it's more of a refined GT kinda car, then maybe I'll pass the FXT on to my wife, but an STI, and say to heck with the three-car stable I mentioned above. :D
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I could never give up my STI for an FXT, even the new one. As a side vehicle to replace our beater 1999 Forester one day, maybe. Only after the CVTs have proven themselves for many years. I'm with you on the three car stable. Our is economy car (wife's 2011 Impreza 2.5i Premium), my DD beater (1999 Forester S with winter package, no less), and the fun project car (you take a guess).

It sounds like you made the right decision for you, and that's what is important. I guess I'll see you over on SubaruForester.org then. ;)

Did you ever figure out what was up with the diffs on your STI?

Edit: A few notes on the Forester forum. They whine a lot about simple things, and they're not "car" people (some are with far reaching Subie experience, but most are likely soccer moms). So, lots of threads about noises and dumb stuff, but there's some interesting things like transmission swaps, lifts, etc to look at.
You are getting OLD. Congratulations on the new car, enjoy the ride and the mpg.
I would like to make a suggestion for a future fun car: MR2, specifically the ZZW30, but if not a convertible, then the AW11. They are not as bang-for-the-buck as a Miata considering the learning curve in tuning and car control, but they are just as light and quick, if not lighter and quicker. Plus it'll be something different.

I have high hopes for the next gen STI as well, I really want to see a Subaru in WRC again. If that's the case (doubtfully), the car will be much smaller, which is good.

As others said (or implied), glad you are making the changes that suit your "situational" needs.
Just thinking about this in my situation makes me want to go hug my STI. I've loved it so much more since buying that Forester than I did when I DD'd it that I can't imagine letting go. Drive the Forester to and from work four days a week, then take the STI on Friday. Hot damn she feels good.

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I could never give up my STI for an FXT, even the new one. As a side vehicle to replace our beater 1999 Forester one day, maybe. Only after the CVTs have proven themselves for many years. I'm with you on the three car stable. Our is economy car (wife's 2011 Impreza 2.5i Premium), my DD beater (1999 Forester S with winter package, no less), and the fun project car (you take a guess).

It sounds like you made the right decision for you, and that's what is important. I guess I'll see you over on SubaruForester.org then. ;)

Did you ever figure out what was up with the diffs on your STI?

Edit: A few notes on the Forester forum. They whine a lot about simple things, and they're not "car" people (some are with far reaching Subie experience, but most are likely soccer moms). So, lots of threads about noises and dumb stuff, but there's some interesting things like transmission swaps, lifts, etc to look at.
I’ve spent the past year worrying and dealing with the accident in one way or another. Having returned the STI to the body shop no less than half a dozen times for major to minor issues, resulting in still-obvious signs of an accident, I gave up. A year is along time, and some issues would never been fixed without me putting out a good amount of money with no assurance of resolution.

Had the car been restored to normal operation, fit and finish straight away I’d have no thoughts of trading. With the risk of additional issues arising (i.e., differential issue that was not considered accident-related getting worse,) and the aforementioned still-apparent issues (e.g., gaps in body panels, paint issues, etc.) it made good sense to at least look around at my options.

I asked my wife whether she would support me getting another STI if the redesign occurred for the ’14 STI and she said, “absolutely.” So, I spent the last year researching options and reading every “News and rumor” article. In the end, test-driving the FXT, which I was expecting to be a big let-down (the frugalish part of me hoping I’d keep the STI a little longer or opt for the less expensive 2.5i Touring,) but it was great. I really, really like the new FXT, CVT included.

That desire to shift my own gears, hear the gears whining, and take the twisties aggressively will always be there, but the pros far outweigh the cons, for me.

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I’ve been lurking on the Forester forums for a bit and there doesn’t seem to be as many technically literate people as other sites, this one included. I feel like I’m going to be on my own when Cobb releases a ’14 FXT solution, though I’ll make sure to post here for opinions, since I’m an absolutely tuner newbie still.

You are getting OLD. Congratulations on the new car, enjoy the ride and the mpg.
Shut it, you! haha

I would like to make a suggestion for a future fun car: MR2, specifically the ZZW30, but if not a convertible, then the AW11. They are not as bang-for-the-buck as a Miata considering the learning curve in tuning and car control, but they are just as light and quick, if not lighter and quicker. Plus it'll be something different.

I have high hopes for the next gen STI as well, I really want to see a Subaru in WRC again. If that's the case (doubtfully), the car will be much smaller, which is good.

As others said (or implied), glad you are making the changes that suit your "situational" needs.
I don’t know much about MR2’s, but to say that my co-worker just bought another project, a 90s MR2 with a blown head gasket (apparently a common problem) for $500. He already has a project RX-7 and is always working on his house, but this seems like a great deal! I’d love to get something similar someday, when I’m not living in a condo.

If the new STI is all that and a bag of chips (see Got2Boostit2’s comment) I’ll see if I can talk my wife into trading her Civic in on it for a’16 or ’17. Now THAT would make a great stable mate to the FXT!

Just thinking about this in my situation makes me want to go hug my STI. I've loved it so much more since buying that Forester than I did when I DD'd it that I can't imagine letting go. Drive the Forester to and from work four days a week, then take the STI on Friday. Hot damn she feels good.

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You go hug your STI, brother. Be careful, though, you might rub the paint right off or pop a bumper clip!
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Congrats on the new car.
I test drove the new XT a few weeks ago and really liked it. I'm slowly nagging my wife that she should replace her Impreza with an XT.

I did not like previous XTs at all, that stupid ancient 4EAT was screwing the whole car. The new HD CVT is really nice, much faster-acting and quieter than those CVTs in the Impreza. At least on the initial lurch of torque, the XT didn't feel all that much slower than a stock STI. I'm sure the STI can sustain the acceleration for a lot longer, but the initial feel of acceleration was really good in the XT.

Suspension was decently firm and well dampened for an SUV.
I’ve been lurking on the Forester forums for a bit and there doesn’t seem to be as many technically literate people as other sites, this one included. I feel like I’m going to be on my own when Cobb releases a ’14 FXT solution, though I’ll make sure to post here for opinions, since I’m an absolutely tuner newbie still.
I'm over there, so I'll help where I can. :)

You go hug your STI, brother. Be careful, though, you might rub the paint right off or pop a bumper clip!
I have extra clips and Dr Color Chip touch up, so I should be good! :lol:
I don’t know much about MR2’s, but to say that my co-worker just bought another project, a 90s MR2 with a blown head gasket (apparently a common problem) for $500. He already has a project RX-7 and is always working on his house, but this seems like a great deal! I’d love to get something similar someday, when I’m not living in a condo.

If the new STI is all that and a bag of chips (see Got2Boostit2’s comment) I’ll see if I can talk my wife into trading her Civic in on it for a’16 or ’17. Now THAT would make a great stable mate to the FXT!
That's the thing about old Toyotas: most of their sports cars are pretty unreliable considering the Toyota reliability, but that itself gives character for a car too, ironically. 91-95 MR2s (SW20) are the "GT" cars of the MR2 lineup: refined-ish, heavy, and less involving, but their turbo models are very fast in a straight line. Not really ideal for an alternative fun track car, imo. If you're interested for more info on stock MR2s, just give me a PM.
This is a sad day for the forums. I do hope you stay with us. Most moderators generally do ;)

Btw, I average 20-21mpg, and I have to admit, I try not to drive her too often because of that, but you know how hard that can be. However, a FXT isn't so bad, I wouldn't mind owning one to supplement the STI one day as I mature more later down the road. I'm liking the new FXT a lot as well, but I want that hoodscoop because Subaru so fast powah :)

Post pics!
^^^ this. I made the move from a 2010 Rex to a 2012 STI in June 2012. The trip B is still set from the build day I guess cuz it has all 8100 or so miles and my average per the computer is 21.3 mpg for all of the cars miles since birth :). I do get on it a couple times a day but with only a 4 mile commute and 30 mph roads here in my town it helps. I am 40 now but I still like the power and stability of the STI. :D

Hope you can get over the lasting effects of that accident and maybe one day you will have the $$ to get another STI just to have fun in and maybe track it. Should be less to no idiot drivers at the track and you can enjoy the heck out of an STI again. ;)
You will back with the new sti, I am 100% sure
As an owner of both, I must say you are spot on. Love my 14 fxt, but in a different, not so abusive and dramatic way as my Sti. Enjoy!

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I may be back in an STI, but after a week in the FXT I have my doubts - it's so comfortable and just sport enough to not be annoying while merging or passing.

Also, my wife's Civic has only ~100k miles on it, which means we've got a good 5+ years before she gets tired of driving it and/or I get tired of maintaining it. At that point, though, maybe we'll keep it and add the new STI as as third car, since the Civic may not be worth as much as we'd want. We'll see!
I really love those and I wanted to get one for my wife's daily driver, but the CVT only option was a deal killer. We both like to row our own gears so we ended up with an Outback 6 speed. A friend of mine had an older XT Forester 5 speed manual and loved it soooo much.
Congrats on the new car, and I am glad you are happy with it! what is important, as you already know, is that it fits your needs. Just looked it up on subaru's site, it's a nice looking SUV!! Enjoy it! and if you do end up getting another STI in the future, nobody will blame you!!!
If i had to do it again again...I'd probably end with something more efficient like a FXT for my daily and a RS swap for my fun car.
Congrats on the XT! Red looks nice! :)
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