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I just want to share a bit of the experience I have in cars so far... I got a few muscle cars but the rule applies to almost any car.

Lot's are bashing the Evo VIII and I respect that but people might be surprised. Evo VIII is supposed to be lighter and consider that 100lb of extra is worth about .1 second in real life on 1/4 mile. If the Subaru is 250lb-300lb heavier, performance will be almost exactly the same since the 300HP vs lb vs Evo VIII 271HP vs lb will be similar... Torque is higher with the 2.5 STi but the twin scroll wil help out the Evo VIII.

Let's wait to see the weight of the car. Personnally, either 300HP or 271HP I would never go with a Evo VIII (anyway, won't be avalaible here in Canada) but as said, I have some background and consider that if the weight is 250-300lb more than the Evo VIII, performance will be almost the same. Also, I think both the Evo VIII and STi are great. Different options, different pricing! It's like comparing a few years ago the 320HP Mustang Cobra and the 335HP Camarao SS... Both were in competition, the Camaro SS was a bit faster, a bit higher price tag!

If Subaru wants to kill the Evo VIII out of the box, they *may* put the car at 30,000$ so people would definitly buy a STi instead of a Evo VIII...

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I agree about waiting for the weights. However, though the STi will likely be heavier than the Evo, it won't be 250-300 lbs heavier. We'd be talking about more than 3500 lb for an Impreza. That's almost as much as my truck. I just don't think there's any way that will happen.

Don't forget that gearing will also affect off-the-line acceleration. The 6-speed is geared for acceleration, but the closer ratios will require more shifts. The "all-important" 0-60 will be closer than you think; the Evo will have one less shift during that test.
 

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Possible repost: cool 3d STi model

i like every car but then again its about time that this car dominated, becasue the evo just had a big name and so did the STI of course, i love both cars but if im in my STI and i see and EVO alls i gotta say is ‹^›:p‹^›

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I'm glad to see that people can admit that both are good. Performance will be close enough that the driver will make the difference. For sure there will be comparaison between both car in the near futur. Some people are saying that Mitsubishi completly screwed up but i'm not sharing that thinking. Cobra and SS have always been in competition and both cars were sold with different qualities. Same thing when there was a time the Mitsubishi Eclipse was in competition with the Prelude SH. I don't think Mitsubishi has screwed up either if I would never own a Mitsubishi again.

No flames intended but when people say that Evo VIII is shit, i'm wondering the age of those people. If Subaru was really the only way, only Subaru STi would sell and exist. If Acura Integra would be the way, everybody would have one and no Civic would be on the road. People like different things, that's why there's many models available there!

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can anyone point me to an forum dedicated to the evo viii like this is dedicated to the sti? i'd like to see what they're saying about the sti. and to be honest, i'm warming up to the evo. it would be a very respectable alterntaive if being #2 on my dealer's list to too far down the list. and it comes in yellow. :lol:
 

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www.evolutionm.net is very popular. People talk a lot of the STi and some people say it will be overpriced, some say the small HP difference won't make a lot of difference, some say that the low-end torque either with the 2.5 the Evo will be faster since the twin-scroll, some are disappointed with the Evo VIII specs, the Evo guys are like STi guy out here and says Evo all the way!... There is one looooooonnnnggg thread... Go in the forum and search for SUBARU.

On the Evo board there is a thread saying "After seeing Subaru announcment will you stick with the Evo or go with the Subaru"...

50% Stick with the Evo...
25% With DCCD I would go with the STi all the way depending of the price
25% I'll wait to see after they have tested both...
7% I'm confused at this point...

So as you can see, different board, different stories! :)

I won't say it enough, both cars will be great and will have good success.

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i'll check out the forum. and *THANKS* for the summary. my family (my folks and now us) have been driving subarus for a long time (20+yrs) and are happy with 'em. it'd hate to break with tradition and get an evo, but hey, if i can't even get an sti, why not? i'm committed to the sti, but f the evo had a 6spd and dccd, then i'd be more on the fence. anyway, thanks again.
 

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Can someone please help this fella out!?

well CoOlSlY, i've made up my mind. i'm definately sticking with the sti. after reading this review at the above link reads like complete spin.

http://features.evolutionm.net/newsitem.php?s=2cef6e711d77d2205f9c43210c0b97cc&id=27

to paraphrase: everything that makes the jspec car cool isn't on the US spec car and it's even down on power to boot, but it's more *fun* to drive than ever. no thanks. if i want *fun* i'll keep my current nx2000 (t-tops) or get a blown mini (those are so cute).
 

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Where will you go on your first drive?

SnowbordWRX: That's a really good question!!! I've taken the data at evolutionm.net and cut&paste them here!!! No clue why it gives >100 !!! Maybe a Evo VIII bug :) No, seriously, no idea!!!

Btw, there's a post on the Audiworld forum saying comments from some Evo guy... Here's a summary: (cut&pasted from Audiworld)... THOSE ARE NOT MY COMMENTS. :evil: Again, Evo dudes are sticking with the Evo, STi dudes are sticking with the STi :)

"""2002 info-provides some background to the car
-Comes with a pink "STi" on the rear.
-Initial 1500 mile service followed by 10,000 intervals.
-23mpg
-Jiggling was clearly tiresome for those not directly involved in the action.
-A long motorway journey would invariably result in a few aches and twinges.
-My opinion of the oft-maligned styling had softened.
-In fact it was arguably the most potent all-weather point-to-pointer in the fleet.
-Despite a healthy on-paper output, on the road if you dropped anywhere near 3500 rpm you needed a lower gear or possible two, if you were after guaranteed response. Granted once above 4000rpm the 2 liter delivered the goods but it always seemed like harder work than it needed. This was most notable on the motorway...you'd gentle squeeze the right foot to find the motor have an off-boost snooze.
-Brakes provide excellent stopping power with good firm pedal. In the past month I noticed the inch or two of dead travel-replaced pads everything good.
-While entertaining and a practical car to live with, it was a mild disappointment.

2003/2004 Scooby
-Good news
-Tauter suspension makes its presence felt and is a deal crisper than the outgoing model.
-It's still not quite as cohesive as the Evo VII
-Two pink Sti badges, on the deck lid and front bumper. (I count three on the front of the car?)
-Smaller steering wheel makes the car feel more agile but still too big.
-Rear spoiler is even bigger than before.
-The WRX is a sharper-handling package in a much nattier suit"""

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Maybe I should let you know... I am not bashing any of the two cars, I'm just expressing my points like many do since I really love talking about cars. Cobra, Vette, S4, STi and Evo VIII are my favorites.

But for the Evo, i'm in Canada so we will NOT get the Evo here and it's been confirmed by Mitsubishi of Canada already. We will get the STi though. But it's good to compare both :)

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I for one am very upset with the decision not to bring at least 1000 to Canada. I think they are missing out on a good market. Do you know why they aren't bringing it???
 

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STi Location???

Yes, I spoke about 10 minutes with the guy at Mitsubishi Canada and had all the information regarding the Evo VIII not coming to Canada.

- Emissions are higher than almost anywhere
- Bumpers need to be upgraded completly for Canada compliance
- Lights has to be modified (?), no idea why

He mentionned "Bringing the car in Canada would require too many modifications and Mitsubishi don't have enough market that would make it worth bringing it in Canada". He also mentionned we could have in a few years a "downgraded" version of the Evo but nothing is confirmed yet.

If you want the complete story, call the customer service of Mitsubishi-cars Canada. The guy who answered the phone was reading me a paper so I guess they had a official letter saying WHY we won't have the car.

Sylvain
 
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