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Sorry again for no new updates lately but this one you can take to the bank.

The 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX-STi will be un-veiled at the 2003 Detroit Auto Show in January. If you want to see it, make your plans to attend now! Availible ONLY with a 6-speed manual transmission and ONLY in sedan form (Sorry, No wagons!). HP numbers are now quoted as between 260 & 280 and will be priced above $30,000.

And still....only 1,700 for the U.S.
 

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What parts violate emission standards?

And to clarify...It will be a 2.0L, turbo-charged car. No 2.5, no supercharger.
 

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I looked up roundtrip tickets from Denver today. 202.00 Non-Stop Round Trip via United, which is pretty cheap. I'm seriously thinking about it... :D

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I guess I really take for granted living in Michigan. I went last year and it was very cool. I don't know if you've been before, but if you love cars it's awesome. Subaru had a very cool display too. The cutout boxer was pretty sweet. The F1 cars were crazy. Anyway for $200 just go. Hit a casino while your there. The only down side... people, and lots of them. And they wouldn't let us near the Z8 either... those [email protected]#$s.
 

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Here's a little tip from a very good source.

There are five (5) U.S. spec WRX-STi's being tested in the South East U.S. right now. They will be doing highway testing in Georgia, Florida, Alabama, North & South Carolina over the next few days. The testing started on August 1st. The testing is nothing more than extended interstate & higway drives through these states. My source indicates that the test STi's are camoflauged with tape and covers on the front end & rear to hide the true body lines. There are 4 flat black test cars with a white jagged graphic going up each side and 1 flat white test car with a matching black jagged graphic going up the side. All 5 have black steel wheels. They should be traveling as a group.

Keep your eyes open
 

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Want to see the U.S. STi now?

Excuse a nit-picky question, but the statement "Above $30,000" is pretty vague. Is this intended to mean "just above" $30,000, so that the price is somewhere between 30 and 31K? If it was much more than that it would open itself up to competition to a much wider range of cars.

Even at $30,000 it's already in the same price range as the new Infiniti G35c, which will be available later this year. The G35c sounds like it will have more horsepower, more torque, and will have other features (6 spd manual, Brembo brakes) similar to the STI.

I've been considering either the G35 or G35c if the STI ended up not being available. I have to say that if the two cars are in the same price range I'd have a heck of a time deciding between the two.
 

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Sorry, If I had any more solid numbers I would let you know. I feel it will be very close to $30K, if it were closer to $35 they would have just said "Under $35K". :)

Don't forget neither SOA or Mitsu have released actual prices for the STi or the EVO, neither one wants to show their hand first.
 

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I think SOA was right on the $ with the WRX pricing. I hope they don't start to get greedy now that they've sold a few cars.... What happened to 27-29K???? :cry: ..... come on SOA, keep it real!!! You're not gonna steal sales from die hard SVT Cobra fans, the people that will buy the STi are the ones who know and love it already. WRX, RS owners, and the like. I don't think that I'm wrong in thinking the target audience is young, so don't put it out of our reach. It would be perfect @ 28K. I believe that's reasonable.... Then I can get an STi coupe, and the WRX wagon we already have would become my wife's! (then we can use our '91MR2 for a dedicated race car :D ) We are 25, and 22 respectively with boys ages 6 & 3. Great family cars huh? ...Now tell me SOA, wouldn't that make a great commercial for your target audience??? ......Whose with me people!!!!???
 

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If SOA goes too high with their STi price, they'll just face competition from their own WRX priced in the $24-$25K range. Not being a racer myself, just somebody who wants a nice, powerful AWD car with great pre-mod fundamentals (sport suspension, strong tranny, semi-closed block, good brakes), in the event I ever try my hand at rally driving or autocrossing, the STi just isn't worth more than a $5000 - $6000 markup over the WRX to me. Over $31,000, I'd rather pay a few thousand more and drive an S4 or buy a WRX and blow a few grand in Vegas.
 

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Though I don't like to admit it, SOA could sell the first batch for anything they want, but... sales will go down the sh$%^r soon after.
 

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that makes sense

I've read a lot of different automotive forums lately. I've been following forums for the STI, the EVO, the RX-8, the 350z, and the G35. It's funny, but on every one of these forums I see posts that say something to the effect of "Well if it's going to be that much I'll just buy an X instead". On the G35 forums they say they'll go buy a Z if the G35c is over 30K, on the Z forums they say they'll but an RX-8 if the Z is over 30K, on the RX-8 forums they say they'll but an STI if the RX-8 is over 30K, on this board *I* said that I might by a G35 if the STI is over 30K. The EVO people are apparently all fanatics and wouldn't consider driving anything else...

The point is, there's a killing to be made for anyone who can make a solid sport coupe or sedan for under 30,000. Yes, some of the cars I mentioned *start* under 30,000 but none of them are still there by the time you add the options most people seem to want.

STI: "just over" 30,000
350z performance: 30,429
350z track: 34,079
RX-8: Latest rumor "pricing inline with the 350z"
G35c: "starts" at 29K, but with sport package 32 to 34K
EVO: No one seems to have a good answer, I've heard everywhere from "under 30" to 37K

So for now and the foreseeable future, it looks like the answer to the question "What's the best car I can get for under $30,000?" is "A WRX". Anyone else have a different opinion? If so I'd like to hear it.
 

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I agree with TalonTSiAWD with respect to the competition and pricing.


I do think that the G35 Coupe will be a hard alternative to turn down if the STi gets close to $35,000 US.

Having said that I should remind all of you between the difference in price in different countries between the regular WRX and the WRX STi. I think that more than anything will be a reliable indicator of prices to come here in North America.

Someone did a ratio calculation and came out close to $31,000 US. I forget who that was. Anyway, that would be inline with what WORM is stating.

By the way Worm, thanks for all the updates, keep 'em coming! :D
 
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