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I do not think anyone needs to worry about GPS data being grabbed by big brother. All the info they need is already out there. I truly believe that in this day and age, if big bro wants to get your information bad enough, he will get it!
I do not think anyone needs to worry about GPS data being grabbed by big brother. All the info they need is already out there. I truly believe that in this day and age, if big bro wants to get your information bad enough, he will get it!
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Speaking of big bro, another thing I am worried about them deciding to monitor is I-Pass we have here in IL for the tolls. On the monthly printouts I used to get, it shows evey time you use it, day and time. There are times when I drive through multiple toll booths and if you were to compare the times between tolls you could pretty much tell I was moving pretty good. I think there are some states that might already do this.
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my guess is it most definately could. what i wonder about is if these systems are always transmitting or do they transmit only when you want them to? e.g. how does onstar work? how does intertrack (www.trackmenow.com) work? it would be nice to have some control over when you'd be broadcasting the fact you're doing 15 over.JJ said:
I have also worried about the I-Pass. But from talking with my friends, there is some issue with Illinois law that can give out automated tickets...i.e. no human witnesses.
for now, I know that they don't...my friend went through the 355 express toll lane at 120mph...no ticket, and i-pass still worked.
josh
for now, I know that they don't...my friend went through the 355 express toll lane at 120mph...no ticket, and i-pass still worked.
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I also live here in Ill.
They do not check speed as far as I know, at least not yet. There's been a lot of talk about it, and they do snap pix of the car, the driver, and the plate...
It won't be long before they start checking speed...
And they could definitely track one's locations and stuff like that - scares the hell out of me...
They do not check speed as far as I know, at least not yet. There's been a lot of talk about it, and they do snap pix of the car, the driver, and the plate...
It won't be long before they start checking speed...
And they could definitely track one's locations and stuff like that - scares the hell out of me...
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·I am not familiar with i-Pass, but while I was working at GM (1994) we saw one of the projects that was in work. An automated toll system that would double as traffic monitor and speeding ticket watchdog. It was the combination of three companies; Hughes for their radar technology and GM Delco for the transponder that is to go in every vehicle, even non-GM cars, and a third company whose name escapes me. The third company provided the overhead gantries and the road construction expertise.MKIVSupra said:
At the time they had a testbed set up in Texas I believe. They were really looking to make some $$ from it. In fact about that time GM bought out Hughes and the company became GM-Hughes. I think they have taken what they want and sold off a portion by now.
In MA they did in fact use the EZ-Pass (called fastpass there) to ticket speeders. It's obviously quite easy since they know your time of entry (to the second) and the distance between tolls.
There was such a backlash against the system that they stopped doing this shortly thereafter. Still, if I'm planning on hauling some [email protected]@ on the Mass Pike I usually plan a bathroom break somewhere to reduce my average speed.
There was such a backlash against the system that they stopped doing this shortly thereafter. Still, if I'm planning on hauling some [email protected]@ on the Mass Pike I usually plan a bathroom break somewhere to reduce my average speed.
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They used to issue tickets on the Kansas Turnpike based on time between toll booths. There was enough public outrage that they don't do it anymore (or at least not very often). I think the philosophy has changed to "they are paying to drive on this road, so let's let them drive however they want." Of course, the toll roads in Kansas are so boring that you almost have to go 130 just to stay awake.
I don't see how a system could be widely used as a big brother system without being rejected by the masses. However, there is not much that would prevent a system like OnStar to be used to track the movements of individuals for whatever purpose. OnStar is the perfect tracking system, and GM essentially admits it. Although they say that they are not allowed to use the system to track you down, even if subpoena is issued (I specifically ased this question to OnStar), they offer as a service the ability to track down a thief or carjacker, lead police to its location, and shut the vehicle down. Of course, I doubt tracking someone like that would be legal, but then again, the government is allowed to do almost anything nowadays under the banner of anti-terrorism. The whole thing gives a lot more credit to conspiracy theories. :evil:
I don't see how a system could be widely used as a big brother system without being rejected by the masses. However, there is not much that would prevent a system like OnStar to be used to track the movements of individuals for whatever purpose. OnStar is the perfect tracking system, and GM essentially admits it. Although they say that they are not allowed to use the system to track you down, even if subpoena is issued (I specifically ased this question to OnStar), they offer as a service the ability to track down a thief or carjacker, lead police to its location, and shut the vehicle down. Of course, I doubt tracking someone like that would be legal, but then again, the government is allowed to do almost anything nowadays under the banner of anti-terrorism. The whole thing gives a lot more credit to conspiracy theories. :evil:
In Europe, the Heavy Equipment drivers (i.e. Tractor Trailer, Dump Truck, Bus, etc) Are regulated by the time between toll booths. BIG fines if they are even so much as a minute too soon. They have to drive the speed limit.
And DUI is loss of license for life no questions asked, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
The up side? The autobahn.
It's safer in my opinion, and it allows those with high performance vehicles to drive them in well controlled conditions. You don't see poeple driving 60mph in the far left lane. What you do see is all the trucks staying to the right, all the slower drivers staying to the right, and the left lane moving along at 100.
They also take driving much more seriously. People are trained to drive and it's thought of as more of a privilage than a right.
Over there, people are responsible for thier actions behind the wheel. Over here, "it's never my fault". And that's what makes those of us who know how to drive have to put up with doing 65mph on a newly paved, perfectly straight, 4 lane freeway.
I'll take their system over ours any day.
And DUI is loss of license for life no questions asked, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
The up side? The autobahn.
It's safer in my opinion, and it allows those with high performance vehicles to drive them in well controlled conditions. You don't see poeple driving 60mph in the far left lane. What you do see is all the trucks staying to the right, all the slower drivers staying to the right, and the left lane moving along at 100.
They also take driving much more seriously. People are trained to drive and it's thought of as more of a privilage than a right.
Over there, people are responsible for thier actions behind the wheel. Over here, "it's never my fault". And that's what makes those of us who know how to drive have to put up with doing 65mph on a newly paved, perfectly straight, 4 lane freeway.
I'll take their system over ours any day.
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I agree with you toyworx... except there is no left lane in Europe. It's a passing lane. Even if you're going 150, if there's nobody in the middle lane, that's where you drive. It really is a better system. I don't know why people over here decide to lock themselves into the passing lane. I guess they figure if they're going 70, nobody should be going faster
I agree with you toyworx... except there is no left lane in Europe. It's a passing lane. Even if you're going 150, if there's nobody in the middle lane, that's where you drive. It really is a better system. I don't know why people over here decide to lock themselves into the passing lane. I guess they figure if they're going 70, nobody should be going faster
Thanks for the clarification. :wink:Fhqwhgads said:I agree with you toyworx... except there is no left lane in Europe. It's a passing lane. Even if you're going 150, if there's nobody in the middle lane, that's where you drive. It really is a better system. I don't know why people over here decide to lock themselves into the passing lane. I guess they figure if they're going 70, nobody should be going faster
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In Chicago, they've now instituted cameras for red-light violators at 10 "problem" intersections.
Get this - they issue a ticket to the OWNER of the VEHICLE, not necessarily to the driver. So I lend my car to someone else, they break the law, and I get the fine? I don't think so!
Talk about Big Brother...
Get this - they issue a ticket to the OWNER of the VEHICLE, not necessarily to the driver. So I lend my car to someone else, they break the law, and I get the fine? I don't think so!
Talk about Big Brother...
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