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Thanks, Billy, for clarifying what I was saying earlier.
Thanks, Billy, for clarifying what I was saying earlier.
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:lol:i was actually really confused what you guys were talking about. i just happen to see he wants to really get the most out of the vf39. throwing every option at it, isn't always the best though.:tup:
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You're correct there, I would like to get the most out of the 39. It seems that there are going to be drawbacks and advantages to either route really. The EWG option is because I'd like to have smooth power and control for the 39. That will be coupled with a good tune.
You're correct there, I would like to get the most out of the 39. It seems that there are going to be drawbacks and advantages to either route really. The EWG option is because I'd like to have smooth power and control for the 39. That will be coupled with a good tune.
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benefits of ewg though are for high boost applications. the only way to boost the vf39 higher is with e85 or meth injection. i just don't want you to spend $$ with no results.
turboback, header, uppipe, fuel pump, intake, turbo inlet, ebcs, tune will get you a lot. i'm not stopping you from getting an ewg though
i believe ultimate racing makes an ewg kit for a 3 bolt flanged header (gt spec). however, only certain downpipes fit with it and invidia is not one of them.
benefits of ewg though are for high boost applications. the only way to boost the vf39 higher is with e85 or meth injection. i just don't want you to spend $$ with no results.
turboback, header, uppipe, fuel pump, intake, turbo inlet, ebcs, tune will get you a lot. i'm not stopping you from getting an ewg though
i believe ultimate racing makes an ewg kit for a 3 bolt flanged header (gt spec). however, only certain downpipes fit with it and invidia is not one of them.
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Benefits of an EWG relieve pressure out of the hot side. If you're bypassing exhaust, you might as well do it before it becomes turbulent through the exhaust housing. There is a pretty good thread on NASIOC about the gains of an EWG on a stock turbo. High boost is not a reason to get an EWG, better boost control is.
The OP is in Nebraska and has access to lots of E85.
If porting yourself, you'll find your bang for buck ahead of any UEL, unless you also have weight savings in mind.
Benefits of an EWG relieve pressure out of the hot side. If you're bypassing exhaust, you might as well do it before it becomes turbulent through the exhaust housing. There is a pretty good thread on NASIOC about the gains of an EWG on a stock turbo. High boost is not a reason to get an EWG, better boost control is.
The OP is in Nebraska and has access to lots of E85.
If porting yourself, you'll find your bang for buck ahead of any UEL, unless you also have weight savings in mind.
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I appreciate the monetary concern ha!
Yeah it looks to be that most people with EWGs are usually and coincidentally on higher boost levels and that's where they can shine, and you're right that the 39's upper limit is only around 21psi, however I've also seen 39's swapped into WRX's who also happen to be using EWGs, with and without E85/meth. Also have seen numerous posts and threads about people(including yamahaSHO) who have reported that they have a benefit. So to me it stands that even the knackered lil' VF39 can see improvements with an EWG.
When doing headers, I was probably going to go with GTSpec and one of their compatible UPs because of the bolt pattern.
Weight savings is always nice!
I appreciate the monetary concern ha!
Yeah it looks to be that most people with EWGs are usually and coincidentally on higher boost levels and that's where they can shine, and you're right that the 39's upper limit is only around 21psi, however I've also seen 39's swapped into WRX's who also happen to be using EWGs, with and without E85/meth. Also have seen numerous posts and threads about people(including yamahaSHO) who have reported that they have a benefit. So to me it stands that even the knackered lil' VF39 can see improvements with an EWG.
When doing headers, I was probably going to go with GTSpec and one of their compatible UPs because of the bolt pattern.
Weight savings is always nice!
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as for porting yourself, of course it's free!
yes, i know all that. i don't see a benefit for a vf39. when all is said and done, you can better gains with 500 more bucks and a better turbo. :/ ewg can get pricey.
as for porting yourself, of course it's free!
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Cooler EGT's and better boost control (to include quicker spool) are plenty to warrant an EWG.
Generally, people want an EWG for those reasons, the sound, and because they plan to go further. The ability to swap springs to suit your needs is also nice. Run a stiff spring combo and use an MBC to control the last bit of boost to aid in very quick spool and help your top end at the same time. Also you wwon't have to worry about boost creep, which VF39's are subject to.
My free comment is more directed at the fact that I don't see spending the money on an UEL when doesn't get rid of the inferior design.
Cooler EGT's and better boost control (to include quicker spool) are plenty to warrant an EWG.
Generally, people want an EWG for those reasons, the sound, and because they plan to go further. The ability to swap springs to suit your needs is also nice. Run a stiff spring combo and use an MBC to control the last bit of boost to aid in very quick spool and help your top end at the same time. Also you wwon't have to worry about boost creep, which VF39's are subject to.
My free comment is more directed at the fact that I don't see spending the money on an UEL when doesn't get rid of the inferior design.
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As far as EWG prices are concerned, RSD has a TiAL MV-S 38mm and all the components for $255. That's not too bad considering there are more expensive ones out there.
It's true though that others have made considerable power gains by going with AM headers. I just don't know if that would be more of a detriment to the 39.
As far as EWG prices are concerned, RSD has a TiAL MV-S 38mm and all the components for $255. That's not too bad considering there are more expensive ones out there.
It's true though that others have made considerable power gains by going with AM headers. I just don't know if that would be more of a detriment to the 39.
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I ran AM headers on my 39 for 45k miles and then sold turbo for 475 with no cracks looking like new... what do you think headers will do to it?
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Well the piping on AM headers is almost always larger than stock; I've read around and saw some people were having problems with overboost, among other issues, which isn't a stretch considering you're flowing more exhaust into something that's made for very specific parameters. I'm thinking that would be a "mechanical" issue that you can't really tune around. I'm just trying to sift through everything to determine what to do.
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You're thinking like an NSOCer... Quit that. Headers are perfectly fine on the VF39. Lots of people run them, even in your local area.
Just because piping is bigger, doesn't mean you're flowing more.
You're thinking like an NSOCer... Quit that. Headers are perfectly fine on the VF39. Lots of people run them, even in your local area.
Just because piping is bigger, doesn't mean you're flowing more.
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I stand corrected,. Like I said, I was just reading and sifting through what people have said. And those thoughts were just speculative regarding what first came to find. Indeed, I have seen multiple posts of people running AM headers on stock turbos. By chance, who is doing it locally?
I stand corrected,
. Like I said, I was just reading and sifting through what people have said. And those thoughts were just speculative regarding what first came to find. Indeed, I have seen multiple posts of people running AM headers on stock turbos. By chance, who is doing it locally?
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Interesting, I'll have to talk to him as well about his too. Similar setups like the one I'm after have headers as well, but like you said a good PnP would be good too.
^Thanks! I'm sure we'll run into each other at some point!
Interesting, I'll have to talk to him as well about his too. Similar setups like the one I'm after have headers as well, but like you said a good PnP would be good too.
^Thanks! I'm sure we'll run into each other at some point!
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Well that's good to know
I'm also happy to report that Autometer gauges fit perfectly in the gauge pod I have. It's just too bad those Innovate ones need some work to make the fit. Their bezels are so damn thick, but the Autometer ones fit just right. Looks like I'll be going with those.
Well that's good to know
I'm also happy to report that Autometer gauges fit perfectly in the gauge pod I have. It's just too bad those Innovate ones need some work to make the fit. Their bezels are so damn thick, but the Autometer ones fit just right. Looks like I'll be going with those.
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The WRXtra gauge pod was specifically bored out for the AutoMeter gauges. I got rid of mine because it would ONLY fit them. I like the hood that the ATI provides to block out the sun.
The WRXtra gauge pod was specifically bored out for the AutoMeter gauges. I got rid of mine because it would ONLY fit them. I like the hood that the ATI provides to block out the sun.
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