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I have a 2008 Saturn Sky Redline. I used to have a gt3582r that produced 403whp and 383ft-lbs.














but right now, we are building a compound turbo set-up, which will be the first and ONLY Saturn Sky/Pontiact Solstice/ecotec engines in the world.


COMPOUND TURBO SET-UP:
Garrett GT4294R (1.0 turbine A/R) and Garrett Gt2871R (.63 Tial turbine housing A/R). Both turbos have v-band – and CRYO-TREATED!!!
BTF tubular manifold (321 stainless steel)
BTF 4” downpipe (321 stainless steel)
BTF recirculating dump tube (321 stainless steel)
BTF charge pipes
Turbosmart Power-Gate60 – controls GT2871R turbo
Turbosmart Comp-Gate40 – controls GT4294R turbo
Turbosmart Race Port BOV
Turbosmart Eboost2 60psi electronic boost controller

321 Stainless Steel tubular manifold, downpipe(Swaintech coated and DEI titanium wrapped)
Werks RACE Intercooler – 15” x 3” x 24”
AEM water-methanol kit
DEI Cry02 intercooler spray kit


BATES ENGINEERING RACE BLOCK:
Bates Sleeved block
Bored ,honed, Aligned hone
Decked
Bates Main Studs
Bates Balance shafts
Bates main bearings
Bates chain tensioner spring
Bates billet oil pump gear
LNF camshaft
K1 rods and Wiseco pistons installed

SMG HAND PORTED RACE HEAD:
Supertech 35.5 mm oversized valves
Supertech 78 lb springs (cryo treated)
Supertech retainers/keepers
Bates Head Studs
Bates Rocker Arms (cryo treated)
Aggressive Headwork
Ported and Polished Throttle body and Manifold



FUEL Set-Up:
WERKS custom race manifold w/ port injection
RMR secondary fuel rail
RC engineering 42lb injectors
Split Sec extra injector controller
Nitrous Express SAFE fuel System (extra fuel cell w/ fuel pump and adjustable fpr)
Deatsch Werks 300lph fuel pump
ZZP stage 1 cams w/ big fuel lobe



LIBERTY GEARS/NITROFREEZE Transmission and Drivetrain:
Spec Stage 3+ clutch w/ 11lb Flywheel (Cryo-Treated)
Polished hub and sliders, gear/synchro set (shot peened and cryo-treated)
Pinion, driveshaft, axles, and rear differential (cryo-treated)
Driveshaft Shop 600hp Axles
18"x10" Forgestar Wheels w/ Nitto NTO5 295/35/18



First, I wanted to thank Dave of WERKS for sponsoring me with the Race Intercooler

I also wanted to give thanks to the following for some feedbacks and insights about the compound turbo set-up planning:
- Dave of DDM
- Shabby
- Marc of Boost logic – you can youtube him (marc compound turbo). He has a very successful compound turbo set-up.
- Kevin Jewer – owner of 1991 Eagle Talon compound turbo set-up (T3 50 trim and T6 s475 w/ 1.06 AR) – 8.97sec @ 156mph Thank you for all the step-by-step answers that you provided me!!! You have been my on-line mentor!!!


Finally, I wanted to give thanks to my my main sponsors/tuner:
Baldturbofreak aka BTF BTF racing will sponsor me for this build. Rick helped me out choose the turbos for my compound turbo set-up, and provided me with the turbos. He will custom fabricate me a tubular manifold and the compound turbo set-up.
BTF is my main tuner. He will install the compound turbo set-up, and will relocate TONS of stuff to fit this compound turbo set-up.

Ryan of Nitrofreeze for full-sponsorship of the cryogenic treatment of all my parts!!!

Vince of burnsstainless.com for sponsorship of all the stainless steel parts for this build.



Late last year, since SMG had already successfully twincharged the cobalts, by having a rear mount a turbo…………I asked myself, how about adding another turbo on my set-up and mount it at the rear?

So Fred and I started talking about mounting a k04 turbo at the rear, and do a sequential turbo set-up. The k04 turbo will spool fast, and will help have a more responsive car. But after talking to Dave of DDM, Shabby, and Marc, the plan of having a sequential set-up will not work-out as planned and will be very complicated to run smoothly. So I scratched that the plan right away.



So here’s the compound turbo set-up flow:

Exhaust manifold > small turbo (turbine) and powers the engine > excess exhaust gases goes to dp/wastegate > > big turbo (turbine) > big turbo compressor > compressed/cold air goes to small turbo (compressor inlet) > small turbo (compressor outlet) > Intercooler > engine


We are hoping to boost this set-up at around 43-45psi, since the RACE Block can handle it without even sweating. Race block can easily handle 1000 whp. If things go smoothly, the set-up will flow at least 80 lb/min …………and will produce at least 600 whp. It will be an ultimate street machine that will be competitive in auto crossing, drag racing, and road racing.

Will spool from 2800 rpm all the way to 8000 rpm 


GT2871R will be boosting 28psi and GT4094R will be boosting at around 15psi.

Total boost pressure will be 43-45psi or more



BTF will start working on the project mid of November 2011. After he finish the manifold, it wil be sent all the hot sides to SWAINTECH for ceramic coating

SMG will be working on the head, transmission, all necessary relocations, and everything will start mid mid 2011 as well.

BTF and SMG collaboration! :)

We are hoping to finish the whole project and tune the beast before the end of Summer 2012

There will be lots of trial and error during the build, and same goes to the tuning. But that’s normal to every build, especially on a very crazy build like this. But whatever it takes, we will complete this project!!!


LIPSTICK will strive to be the first LNF engine in the 700hp range that will be a daily driver. FIRST EVER compound turbo LNF set-up!!!!



To learn more about compound turbo, here’s my buddy Marc:

YouTube - Marc's 2JZ Turbo Compound Setup

YouTube - Marc's Track run with Commentary

To follow this compound turbo build, you can go to this link: Antonio Sky | Facebook

Or search “Antonio Sky” on facebook
 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

anyways, some parts that just came from being cryo-treated:
Bates Billet Oil pump gears and Bates Chain tensioner



 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Thanks NITROFREEZE for the first batch of stuff that were cryo-treated (BATES shafts/chain tensioner spring/oil pump gears/rocker arms/head studs and SUPERTECH 78 lb springs/valve seats/titanium retainers and GMPP driveshaft! This will make sure that they are 30-50% more durable!




I was lucky enough that one forum member sold me a pair of LNF axles and driveshaft that were only used for 500 miles for only $200. So I had them cryo-treated, and I'll have my current axles and driveshaft as a back-up :)
Next batch going for cryo-treatment will be SPEC clutch and flywheel, hubs/sliders, and more drivetrain parts.
and last batch will be the two turbos, manifold, and pipings....
 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

this will be the set of wheels handling the power....
I received the set of Forgestar F14 Flow-formed wheels about 2 months ago, but didnt open them until recently since I was very busy.
thank you www.forgestar.com for the sponsorship!
Matte black 18" x 10" on all corners, only 18 lbs each ;)
they'll be wrapped with Nitto NT05 295/35/18 which will be perfect for my application :)
Here are some sneak peak photos....




 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Nitto just hooked me up with a set of Nitto NT05 295/35/18 ;)
They'll be responsible for putting the power to the ground.


fresh from Road Force balancing.....






 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

In regards to powertrain upgrades, Driveshaft Shop will sponsor me a set of:
pair of 600 whp Rear Axle Kit!

These axles are sold and distributed by Autoperformance Werks!
I didn't go for the 1000 whp Rear axle kit, since this car will not be an all-out drag car. Car will still remain a daily driver.....and 600 whp is plenty enough for my power goals :)
Rear axle upgrade includes larger 34 spline high grade aircraft quality center bars, tripod style billet inner CV's with chromoly spline into the differential and a pair of races to convert the outer CV to fit the larger 34 spline bars. Kit also includes boots, clamps and grease.










All shafts will be dropped off to NITROFREEZE today for cryo-treatment
 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

There's Lipstick right beside Project Scarab.
Lots of things coming together pretty soon!!! ;)

 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Sorry, both wheels and car are filthy. And I'm sorry that the car is up on the lift....so the photos might not satisfy what you really wanted to see (how the car sits on the wheels. The wheels are better looking in person, since the angle of the CONCAVE Forgrestar F-14 wheels can be seen better.
But here are the photos




 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Engine pulled out last night






some shots of the Forgestar F14 wheels when car is not up in the lift



 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

SPEC clutch and Rear Differential will be dropped off tomorrow for cryo-treatment. I'll pick them up Tuesday afternoon, and drop them off at SMG :)



 

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Aeroforce helped me out and sent me a Pyrometer kit and a pair of EGT probes. Never even realized that they were available til Project Scarab mentioned them. Thank you to both! :)

 

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Just picked them up today! :)
Last year, I tried having my intercooler sprayer be annodized red, but the nice color easily faded away due to the harsh conditions (rocks/chips, rain, heat, etc) it faces every single day. This time, I had it powdercoated RED, and it will be more durable.
The stock driveshaft and the DSS rear axles were sprayed with Thermoplastic Spray and also clear coated. This will make sure that they'll no longer have surface rust.



 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Head will be sent out to ABT Machine Co for valve job.
SMG will port the head.
Then head will be sent to nitrofreeze.com for cryo-treatment




supertechperformance.com is generous enough to help me out with a set of oversized valves, 78# springs, retainers



 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

If you're trying to flow more than 70 lb/min, and trying to get more than 600whp, unfortunately our stock fuel system will not be able to support it.
Even if we can raise our fuel pressure to 2800psi thru trifecta tune/HPT tune, the stock fuel system, still have a hard time.
Water/Meth kits are nice, and will help cool the air and prevents detonation. If you use 100% pure meth, it will help add more fuel, but it can only do so much even if you add 4 injectors on the manifold. I was talking to Chance from Devil's own, and he advised me that if I really want to add more fuel during high boost/more air...........water/meth spray is not the way to go.
So after consulting with different LNF tuners, I ended up going with PORT INJECTION using a secondary fuel rail. I will also use an additional fuel cell so I don't have to tap from the stock fuel tank line.
This will make sure that I will have enough fuel injection during high boost/more air during high rpms.
I would like to give thanks to KELU....since he directed me with the NX Safe fuel system (fuel cell) last year, which made me helped with my planning
I would like to give THANKS to these companies for their support of my compound turbo build:

rossmachineracing.com = -8 fuel rail, brackets, and bungs
rceng.com = set of 70 lb RC engineering injectors
nitrousexpress.com = SAFE fuel system w/ high output fuel pump and adjustable fuel pressure regulator
splitsec.com = Additional Injectors Controller and R4 Software









 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

the two snails that will be running the compound set-up :)
GT2871r with Tial SS housing (.63 ar)





GT4294r (1.0 ar Tial SS housing will be shipped straight to BTF)





 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

burnsstainless.com sent me a pair of ultra light race mufflers:
Ultra-Light Stainless muffler features:
•New updated design for 2009!
•New "floating" core allows for easier rebuilds
•New 2-Stage (2S) mufflers provide additional sound attenuation
•Remarkably light weight and extremely durable
•Built to the highest quality standards
•100% stainless construction
•Completely TIG welded
•Easily replaceable high temperature packing
•Stainless steel scrubble packing also available (call)
•Inside diameters from 2" all the way to 5"
•Can be built to custom lengths (call)
•Discounted and old style mufflers available below
•* Packed with scrubble
•**Packed with scrubble/glasmat

Inlet/Outlet Diameter: 3.00"
Body Outer Diameter: 4.50"
Overall Length: 17"
Weight (lb): 3.29

Once we figure out if we'll use 3" or 4" downpipe (depending on the engine fitting), then Burns Stainless will send us 304 stainless steel pipes for Lipstick's custom exhaust.





 

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I am installing a 3" DMH electronic cut-out :)


 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Do you or have you indead owned a subaru?

Im suprised you didnt cryo the wheels, and I think your speculation that the cryo will increase the strength of your parts by 50% is a bit naive. For the money spent you could have put a badass LSx that would put this compound 4 banger in the ditch. Sorry just not a fan of a gm product on our subaru boards even though this is a "other projects" section/
 

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Re: 700hp Compound Turbo Set-up (gt2871r & gt4294r turbos)

Yup, owned the very first WRX Sti model.

anyways, who said that cryo will make the parts STRONGER by 50%? I did?
Don't be confused with the words STRONGER and MORE DURABLE. There's a big difference.

Having an LSx engine on a Saturn Sky/Pontiac Solstice....is soooo easy to do. It has been done by a lot of people already. I am doing something different and unique, and hasnt been done before on our platform.

I am not convincing you to be a fan, to each his own :)

I love all performance oriented cars.
 
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