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Ouch! Just got the call from my local Subie dealer. He sez the MSRP will be in the range of $32K-$35K plus $339 for frieght. To secure one, I need to put down $3-$3.5K down. As much as I like the STi, that's just too much for a 4 banger Subaru. Any takers for my spot (#2)?

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Thx for the help. But I think you missed my point. It's not the $3,500 down payment that's deterring me from buying the STi. What's nuts is the fact that I am looking at a $38K 4 banger rice-mobile when it's all said and done with taxes, tags, and blah blah blah. For that kind of money, I might as well throw in a few more thousand and look into a slightly used E46 M3. No STi this year.... May be next year....

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I was just saying that your dealer might be full of it, especially if he wants you to put down $3K for a deposit!!

One thing I've learned with dealers is they all sing a different tune and most of them don't really know the truth.
 

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Whether my dealer is full or it or not, the deposite was NOT my concern. What I am saying is that I am NOT going to pay $38K (assuming $35K for a fully optioned model plus taxes, tags, frieght, etc) for the STi. :cry: FYI, Fitzgerald has always been an up front dealer. My friend, the sales trianer there has confirmed the MSRP range and deposit. Basically, they want ONLY serious buyers NOT ricers.
 

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I would wait for definite pricing FIRST. Maybe not people on this board but lot's of people WILL NOT purchase the WRX at 35000$ (kind of 8k more than Evo VIII)... Remember that it's targeted to young people and not all of them have plenty of money. Some have, some don't. Wait for official pricing and after that, make your decision.

Btw, Evo VIII people are pissed by Mitsubishi since it doesn't beat a STi, unfortunatly I don't agree with them. What's the age of people who are pissed because the Evo VIII has 25HP less (roughly)... It's like saying two years ago, the Cobra was 320HP and the Camaro SS was 335HP that the Cobra was disappointing and a piece of crap. IMO, both cars compete between each other. Performance will be very close, depends on the weight. Remember that each 100lb saves about .1 second.

We'll see...

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> LOOKING FOR TEXAS DEALER ! <

I agree that you should wait until you see the official price from Subaru. I think it would be a big marketing mistake if Subaru sets the price higher than 32K...3K over the Evo. They would most likely loose my business if it is higher than 32K, and I would seriously consider an Evo. I agree, 35K is too high, especially when you take in consideration the cost to insure yourself in that 300HP AWD beast. :lol:

BTW, I never heard of putting down 3-3.5K for a depsosit. Before settling down with Paul Brother's Subaru in Herndon, I talked to a couple of dealers, and all they needed to have from you to deliver an STi to you was a deposit between $500-$1,000. They didn't worry about securing a larger deposit because they know this car is limited, and the demand will probably outweigh the supply.
 

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Subaru need to be careful. With the Evo at 28k and Ralliart definitely going to produce an upgrade kit (which I am reading is a chip upgrade). They could find themselves in trouble. On reflection I would not be suprised to see the Sti at 29,995. I think the 30,000 number is a big psychological barrier.
The Evo tunes very easily. It is an immensely strong package mechanically.
 

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DO NOT PUT DOWN A DEPOSIT UNLESS:

You get it in writing that the deposit is 100% REFUNDABLE. It sounds like this dealer may be playing games. Please be careful for your own good. :)
 

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I randomly talked to my dealer yesterday and he said 33K, although I dont trust them worth a shojt. I too would agree that if the price is in any way over 33K with all the garbage fees like destination and so then im out too thats way too much money for a Rice car :)
 

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I realize that everyone is worried about the price being too high, but let me pose you a question from a different angle:

Months ago, when everything about the STi was speculation, the rumor was that we'd be getting a 2.0 liter engine making as little as 261 HP. We didn't know if we'd be getting the 6 speed, the inverted struts, etc. At that point we said that we'd be happy with 275 HP and the 6 speed. Well, now the car is released and it offers more than we would have expected from Subaru. Based on this fact, do you think that maybe they'll do the same with the pricing? We're all worried that it'll be $35,000, and are hoping for $32,000. I suggest that Subaru will again pull a rabit out of their hat and offer the car for $29,995 base.

Just my $0.02.
 

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29995, I doubt it. It costs money to create a new enging and with only 5000 units to divide the new R&D costs into Im betting itll be closer to 32500
 

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True, but add to the the fact that Subaru is planning on using that new engine in several other platforms that have much higher production numbers, it would be easy to absorb that cost. They would not have designed a new engine just for a car that they're only going to make 5000 of a year. If that were the case, each STi would be 6 figures. :D

We'll see what happens. But I think Subaru has their finger on the buying public's pulse, and the don't want it to slow down. As many have said, Mitsu is licking its wounds right now and Subaru knows it. I don't think they'll spoil it by pricing the STi in the unobtainium catergory.
 

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Good point on the R&D costs. I was wondering which other models will get it. Isn't the new legacy suppose to come with a high power version that might use this new engine? What about the outback and baja. Do you think they will get it too?
 

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I for one, believe that it would be a wise decision to put the larger engine in baja and/or legacy (maybe even the outback, but it does have the H6... maybe they'll get rid of the 6?). The baja is supposed to be appealing to the younger, more outdoor active crowd and all they can offer is a not-so-great engine, what's more, when mated to their manual, both the four and the H6 don't perform very well. Maybe they should just get a better automatic, for those that (for whatever reason) don't like manuals.
 

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After hearing that the VIP program will not be honored, it really made me doubt my purchase. Either way, I'm not putting down a penny till I get an MSRP. If I had to wait till winter, I would just buy something else. I'm too old to play hide the price.

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R&D costs are sunk at this point; Subaru will price the STi at whatever the market will bear. Researching the 2.5L turbo engine might or might not have been a great idea when the decision was made to do so, but now that it exists it would be foolish to price the STi out of reach in an attempt to recoup the R&D costs.

I agree with the guesstimates of $29,995 and/or $31,995 (plus a few hundred, of course, for things like the stereo & floormats). $30K even is cheap enough to compete directly with the EVO, slightly higher price for slightly higher power, $32K and up and you'll start competing with IS300, G35 coupe, A4, 330xi, etc. That's just a gut feeling, but that's the decision I'll be making as a twentysomething with around $30K to spend on a performance sedan. At $30-$32 I'll buy an STi, save money, enjoy the power, and deal with the rather ricey wing. Price the STi any higher, and I'll go with less performance and more luxury.
 

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Going to the Detroit Auto Show.

I'm guessing right around 30K. I believe they left the stereo out to save some money and get the price down where they thought it would sell.

As much as I'd like to buy that McIntosh unit they have, I think I'll get something that plays mp3's (I won't be able to buy many cd's for awhile).
 
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