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Old 11-29-11, 03:16 PM   #281
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Not that I'm against going balls to the wall or anything, but I wonder if the cost and complexity increase is worth a few degrees. TG's setup without Meth should keep things just above ambient at the core outlet. I'd say buy a fat core and heat exchanger and see if you require more. It is possible to over engineer this.

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I believe he saw 8 degrees over ambient without meth and a few degrees below with meth.

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Old 11-29-11, 03:18 PM   #282
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And I will say this: yes, a proper sized setup is enough to start with. But isnt the power itch a complete b1tch?
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Old 11-30-11, 05:57 AM   #283
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Not that I'm against going balls to the wall or anything, but I wonder if the cost and complexity increase is worth a few degrees. TG's setup without Meth should keep things just above ambient at the core outlet. I'd say buy a fat core and heat exchanger and see if you require more. It is possible to over engineer this.

Just my opinion.
I agree. Anything that can make sub-ambient intake temps endlessly (not meth) only makes sense if you're chilling your reservoir for a short burst of power. I care mostly about road courses. If you have a device that can keep your intake temps sub-ambient while on a road course, than you're loosing more horsepower either through the alternator or AC compressor to chill the air, than you're gaining from the cool air.

Kinda like every step of the machine has inefficiencies that makes perpetual motion impossible. If your car is a closed system, I don't think you could ever gain power by using power to chill intake air.

Also also, I'll admit, the fuel must be considered outside of the engine's "closed system," and cooler air should let you use that fuel more rapidly for more power, but good luck with inefficiencies trying to cool that air. I feel like I'm babbling now, and must stop.

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Old 11-30-11, 06:18 AM   #284
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Found a company that is willing to make custom reservoirs. This is perfect for me to tuck it away in the empty bottom corners of the hatch the Frozenboost reservoir won't fit. To use that reservoir I would either give up cargo room or my spare.

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Nice find. When I try an AWIC, I won't even use a reservoir, or a very small one in the engine bay. Any cooler water a reservoir might have won't last 10 minutes on a road course, much less 30. All that matters is the heat exchanger keeping up. Any negatives from more layers of thermal transfer vs. air to air top mount will hopefully be made up by the better location of the heat exchanger up front. Getting rid of the hood scoop will be a bonus.
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Old 11-30-11, 09:04 AM   #286
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If you can have a reservoir fabbed up to fit in the empty space behind the foglight cover and the use the cover that has the opening in it the ambient ram airflow through the hole onto the reservoir will help the exchanger keep water temps in check. Just a thought.
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If you can have a reservoir fabbed up to fit in the empty space behind the foglight cover and the use the cover that has the opening in it the ambient ram airflow through the hole onto the reservoir will help the exchanger keep water temps in check. Just a thought.
Hopefully not too big for a roadcourse car, it would put weight over the front end and all those negative things that come with that.
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Old 11-30-11, 09:23 PM   #288
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I'm going to fab up a reservoir out of cardboard tomorrow morning and make some drawings to see what that company would charge to make it. I'm curious.


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Hopefully not too big for a roadcourse car, it would put weight over the front end and all those negative things that come with that.
That's why I'm excited about where I can mount the res in the hatch. Very low in the car (as low or lower than the spare). The only better place I can think of would be in the rear floor board which isn't practical. I'm going to put the reservoir in the rear passenger corner to balance the driver somewhat and the pump in the rear driver's corner so it is completely covered by the hatch floor keeping noise down.

This way I get to keep my spare, keep my cargo room, and due to the short hatch over hange keep the low polar moment of inertia. Can you tell I'm excited?
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do away with the washer res and use it as template for a custom tank
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Old 12-01-11, 12:39 AM   #290
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do away with the washer res and use it as template for a custom tank
Why would I do that when I use my windshield washers?
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