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Old 03-02-13, 06:49 PM   #1
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Default Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

So I was looking for more light output while using the stock fog area. I went with HID retrofitted Hella Micro DE's. My brother in law helped with a lot of the cutting.
He followed this post in HIDPlanet for the HID retrofit portion.
Ultimate {Hella MICRO DE} FOG Upgrade: Halogen to HID (56k big no no))

Modified the stock bracket and used the Hella mount to attach the micro DE


Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

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Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

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Finished product after cutting and mounting


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Old 03-02-13, 06:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

The bumper needed to be cut a little to fit the bracket.

Marked up for cutting

Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

after cutting

Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

Mounted and bolted, it's a bit small, going to find something to fill the area.

Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

3000K HID kit installed

Hella micro DE retrofit 2013 WRX by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

Light output photos

Low beam only

IMG_3953 by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

With fogs

IMG_3954 by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

Lows again

IMG_3960 by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

with fogs

IMG_3956 by BiGGiE_Q, on Flickr

Fun shots

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Old 03-02-13, 07:04 PM   #3
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Default Re: Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

looks great

just curious why you didn't go with a plug and play set up?
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Old 03-02-13, 08:07 PM   #4
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I did the plug and play HID kit in stock fogs. Light output was nothing to write home about. So I went with projectors that produced better light.
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Curious too... you ever get binged from oncoming traffic?
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Default Re: Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

Projector foglights have a built in cut-off to prevent glare.
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Default Re: Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

OP, I hope you at least read Markus's post in the thread you linked. The problem is that the halogen Micro DE kit are foglights, and you just made them useless for their intended purpose. You cannot use HIDs in foglights because you don't want too much light projecting out as it will hurt your incremental vision. Even your 3,000ks don't make it work that well.

Because I'm tired of typing out time and time again I'm just going to copy paste what Markus said:

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I'm not against HID at all. I see nothing wrong in retrofitting good (OEM) projector headlights. In fact I encourage it. What I don't like and what I'm very against is using HID bulbs in halogen lights. I've never ever come across a HID bulb in a halogen fog light or low beam headlight that actually improves driver vision. Many, if not all, of these setups simply fool the driver into thinking they've improved their vision. Tests have shown time and time again that most people equate an increase in foreground light with having improved their vision even when it's clear that their long distance vision is impacted.
What he's saying is that you now have more light in the immediate in front of the car, which gives you the false illusion of better lighting. Good low beam optics send much more light right at the cut off than anywhere else in the beam because as distance increases the amount of light needed to light that far away up multiplies several fold. Not only are foglights not aimed as far as low beams, but if you look at the picture in your thread against the house, you see it has a pretty consistent beam all the way to the cut-off. If you actually wanted better night vision, you'd be getting better low beam optics that send light where it really matters, down the road, not right in in front of the car.

The HID version of the Micro DE kit are driving lamps, which are project a longer, narrower beam than fogs and aren't supposed to be used in the presence of other cars. They are essentially high beams on steroids. I have 100w Prodrive driving lights on my car and can light up most of a football field.

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Default Re: Upgraded 2013 WRX fogs

I did this more for aesthetics and to upgrade the stock subaru fog lights. I understand driving lights are better and throw light farther. Fog lights are supposed to throw short wide range of light. I have a quad bi-xenon setup, both are HID projector housings. Not retrofitted halogen housings.

I was also looking at getting a lightbar and attaching my hella 500FF black magic driving lights for my winter/camping setup. These have not been retrofitted.
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Lots of lighting now


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OP, I hope you at least read Markus's post in the thread you linked. The problem is that the halogen Micro DE kit are foglights, and you just made them useless for their intended purpose. You cannot use HIDs in foglights because you don't want too much light projecting out as it will hurt your incremental vision. Even your 3,000ks don't make it work that well.

Because I'm tired of typing out time and time again I'm just going to copy paste what Markus said:

What he's saying is that you now have more light in the immediate in front of the car, which gives you the false illusion of better lighting. Good low beam optics send much more light right at the cut off than anywhere else in the beam because as distance increases the amount of light needed to light that far away up multiplies several fold. Not only are foglights not aimed as far as low beams, but if you look at the picture in your thread against the house, you see it has a pretty consistent beam all the way to the cut-off. If you actually wanted better night vision, you'd be getting better low beam optics that send light where it really matters, down the road, not right in in front of the car.

The HID version of the Micro DE kit are driving lamps, which are project a longer, narrower beam than fogs and aren't supposed to be used in the presence of other cars. They are essentially high beams on steroids. I have 100w Prodrive driving lights on my car and can light up most of a football field.

So what you are saying is these would be good as driving lights, but not fog lamps? Or you are saying they aren't good for either?
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