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Old 12-28-18, 04:21 PM   #1
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Hello fellow members, had my alignment done today and it doesn't seem right...

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new tires: 245/40/17
RCE yellow springs
whiteline roll center kit (tie rod end/ball joint)

based on what I've read front camber could go as far as -1.5 or so and rear is fixed.
I've asked for zero toe all around and -1.5 front and whatever possible in the back since its fixed, please take a look below and give me your feedback !

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Old 12-29-18, 06:30 AM   #2
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Looks like about what I'd expect from stock suspension. Neither my 2010 or my 05 were able to get even a degree of negative camber in the front in stock form.
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I see, what about the rear ? Cheap solution is to get camber bolts, might be what I'm going to do for now
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Default Re: alignment doesn't look right

That's terrible.
Take it somewhere that knows what they're doing.
They were only bothered about getting it in the 'green'.

If you slack the 2 bottom bolts on the rear struts and let the suspension hang down (wheels/tyres still attached+rear bar disconnected), that will minimise the rear camber. Then torque the strut bolts (not the bar) with the rear suspension still in droop. There's enough play in the rear bolt holes to equalise any camber disparity.

I'd run some toe-in at the rear - positive 0.08deg per side:
Less understeer, the slip angle will help with steering resopnse. It will also help with high speed, straight-line, stability. It toes out under braking, so high-speed braking stability will also be improved, with some static rear toe-in.

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That's terrible.
Take it somewhere that knows what they're doing.
They were only bothered about getting it in the 'green'.

If you slack the 2 bottom bolts on the rear struts and let the suspension hang down (wheels/tyres still attached+rear bar disconnected), that will minimise the rear camber. Then torque the strut bolts (not the bar) with the rear suspension still in droop. There's enough play in the rear bolt holes to equalise any camber disparity.

I'd run some toe-in at the rear - positive 0.08deg per side:
Less understeer, the slip angle will help with steering resopnse. It will also help with high speed, straight-line, stability. It toes out under braking, so high-speed braking stability will also be improved, with some static rear toe-in.
much appreciated! that sounds like a good way to correct the back, I wasn't sure how to get anything out of the rear so thanks for explaining.

with minimal mods I didn't want to drive 2+ hours to a reputable shop and other places in town are as "good" as where i went, I've been looking into some of the DIY inexpensive equipment to adjust camber and toe so hopefully soon enough...
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I don't have a VA, so can't comment on trying to get any different readings out of the rear. I believe, like all STi's, that it's non-adjustable in stock form. You might be able to get a tiny bit different out of it... but camber is adjusted via eccentric bolts (not uniform thickness throughout) or by slotted mounting holes. If you have a standard bolt in a standard hole... you aren't going to be able to change a whole lot there. Certainly not enough to change the camber by half a degree...

Which is all completely different from saying that those alignment settings are ideal. I'd never want that much difference side to side, nor would I ever want to run -2 degrees rear and -0.8 degrees front. For a car that's just street driven... I'd go for more like -1.5 rear and -1.8 or -2 front.

Personally, I run -2.7 front, -2 rear, 0 toe for street/DD use and adjust with camber plates to -3.5 front, -2 rear with about .3 degrees toe out in the front for track use.

I'd personally never want to run toe in at all.
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