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Old 11-06-19, 08:08 AM   #1
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Subaru Is Apparently Teaming Up With Toyota For A New WRX STI
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Old 11-06-19, 08:47 AM   #2
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There is one great thing that could come from this partnership...

The STI could get Toyota's D-4S dual injection system (direct & port injection) like the BRZ has. This would improve efficiency, power, and significantly reduce carbon build-up & the need for walnut blasting.
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Old 11-06-19, 09:18 AM   #3
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I just hope it doesn't lose its character!
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Old 11-06-19, 10:00 AM   #4
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I think it's bound to lose some of its character and "old school" charm regardless of whether they partner with Toyota.

I had a 2016 WRX with the FA20 before upgrading to a '19 STI. The FA is a great engine.

But.. with the FA engine we'll lose the rumble that so many love (or hate) as a trade off of the more efficient equal length, twin scroll header mated to a low-mount, twin scroll, ball bearing turbo.

We'll also lose the hydraulic power steering. EPS units can be great. I enjoyed the EPS while driving the BRZ & S2000. I didn't enjoy it so much in the WRX due to the slower ratio and damper/dampener used to isolate road feedback.

If we get a FA24, I predict 350 whp will easily be attainable with just an AP, flex fuel sensor, and tune.. no upgrading injectors or other hard parts. I imagine 400+ whp will be easily attainable with just basic bolt-ons (intake & turbo back exhaust).

We'll also see significantly better fuel economy. I was averaging better fuel economy in my WRX on E50 than I do in my STI. I easily achieved over 30 mpg on regular pump gas.

Typical maintenance like oil & spark plug changes are much easier with the FA.
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I think it's bound to lose some of its character and "old school" charm regardless of whether they partner with Toyota.

I had a 2016 WRX with the FA20 before upgrading to a '19 STI. The FA is a great engine.

But.. with the FA engine we'll lose the rumble that so many love (or hate) as a trade off of the more efficient equal length, twin scroll header mated to a low-mount, twin scroll, ball bearing turbo.

We'll also lose the hydraulic power steering. EPS units can be great. I enjoyed the EPS while driving the BRZ & S2000. I didn't enjoy it so much in the WRX due to the slower ratio and damper/dampener used to isolate road feedback.

If we get a FA24, I predict 350 whp will easily be attainable with just an AP, flex fuel sensor, and tune.. no upgrading injectors or other hard parts. I imagine 400+ whp will be easily attainable with just basic bolt-ons (intake & turbo back exhaust).

We'll also see significantly better fuel economy. I was averaging better fuel economy in my WRX on E50 than I do in my STI. I easily achieved over 30 mpg on regular pump gas.

Typical maintenance like oil & spark plug changes are much easier with the FA.

This all just sounds too much like the path VW took with the R32/Golf R. Don't get me wrong, the current Golf R is fantastic (I currently daily one) but it has lost a lot of its charm and raw-ness, not to mention sound when compared to its older brother in the R32. I just hope this partnership doesn't get too tied up with fuel economy and technology aids, and forgets the true roots of the vehicle.
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I think that's a fair comparison. But don't expect Golf R level refinement (interior quality, sound deadening, DSG, etc.)

I do hope that they retain some of its character and the rod shifted transmission. Hopefully they keep it reasonably priced as well. I can easily foresee the base model jumping to $40k+ based on the current market trends.
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What would BMW do?
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this would be a mistake and make the older gen STIs more valuable. I think it will be like Mitsubishi's Eclipse Cross. A disaster,
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this would be a mistake and make the older gen STIs more valuable. I think it will be like Mitsubishi's Eclipse Cross. A disaster,
All the more reason to keep my Blobeye!
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a scion STI? no thanks.
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