Blown engines running meth - Page 3

awdmonsta · 03-21-2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

AwdMonsta and Ninjaboy76-How long (mileage) did you run your turbo/meth setup before you experienced issues?

Block/entire build only had about 9,000 on it and almost 3,000 of that was breakin. Brand new Axis stage 2 block. And I did everything right too. I replaced everything. Studs, hoses, gaskets, oil pump, water pump, fluids, cleaned the heads, etc. MZM put that motor together tighter than a well you know. Either the meth was the culprit or the rods just failed due to the power. All I know is that I had misfire codes for about 2 months on #2 and #4 cylinders at low speed/idle. They went away after I got my injectors cleaned for about a week. Then about a week later I got gas and the rough idle came back. Then boom later that afternoon.

PigsXTi · 03-21-2007, 07:16 AM

I was just going to say that I've bit a bit questionable about meth lately. There seems to be a simalarity with engine break downs and too much meth. Too much meth can really eat away the oil in your engine leading to break down, no matter if you have a built engine or not.

So you've got the octane boosting effects of meth = More Boost/power > Oil consumptions and corrosiveness.

Wether its the detonation that kills your engine or the break down of oil and internal, it still leads to one SH*TY outcome......

Ninja's case definitely got me second guessing meth.

RacerXS · 03-21-2007, 07:42 AM

It's not the Meth, or any particular bolt on that kills engines for the most part......it's THE TUNE!
Time & time again I see a story about how this or that "killed my motor", METH does not destroy your motor when tuned properly. In fact it can save you from detonation, which is probably the #1 killer of our motors.
NinjaBoy is a perfect example of a tune destroying a motor.

DON'T SKIMP on the tune! Make sure it's right on. If that means going back 2,3,4 times, then do it. Get Street Tuner, if nothing else to become familiar with how the ECU works and why.

If your going to create an STi that produces over 400WHP, you better be very aware of how the car is running. Get all the proper gauges, keep your eye on everything. But most of all, listen & feel what the car is doing ALL THE TIME. If it does not feel right....do something about it! Or your going to have a broken ring land, a hole in your piston, or a broken rod.
I can tell if my car is running lean without looking at the AFR gauge.
Check your oil every few days, look at the oil catch cans & see whats inside, etc, etc..

You can't just drive a 400WHP STi and not be "in touch" with what the car is doing.

B4RSTiwsnc · 03-21-2007, 08:33 AM

^ thats what I thought as well that meth prevents detonation. also to prevent corrosion run the car for about a minute at the least before you cut it off so that if there is any meth in the intake pipe it will soon dissolve.

SR2017 · 03-21-2007, 10:09 AM

Over on Nasioc, there are all these guys bragging how they have got these great tunes pushing ungodly amounts of power with 25+ psi on stock turbos. And you wonder why it seems that more people are detonating their motors. Alot of what we are seeing is probably related to tuners and their clients taking chances tuning cars to their absolute upper limit and their driving their car hard.
Everyone wants the most power for their given mods and pushes the tuner to impress them with their "factory freak" STI. We will always have people's engines failing, but I suspect the perceived increase is related to the amount of people pushing their power levels and their respective tuning.

***520*** · 03-21-2007, 10:30 AM

Which is more corrosive, Meth or Denatured Alky?
+1 on the tune though.

xrocket21 · 03-21-2007, 10:39 AM

None of the failures in this thread seem to be specifically caused by meth, but rather by too much power on stock block, or poor tune. Meth itself is fine. In my opinion at least. If its washing the oil off your cylinder walls, then you are spraying too much meth. 450 HP on stock block and a ringland breaks, thats from the power level, not the meth.

The corrosive properties of 50/50 meth are minimal anyway.

B4RSTiwsnc · 03-21-2007, 12:02 PM

I am running 60/40 meth/water right now

ninjaboy76 · 03-21-2007, 12:04 PM

I had my car on the meth for about four months before I started seeing major issues. I was under the impression that 400whp was safe for the stock block. I don't think that is the case anymore, nor would I care to venture down that road again. Regardless if you think the meth caused the failure or not I can tell you that it inadvertantly did. It allowed all of these cars to go beyond the limits of pump gas and put the motor in jeopardy of blowing due to the high HP being made by running the meth. So if you look at if from a cause and effect type of situation then "yes" the meth did lead to the engine failure because it allowed the car to run higher boost and more timing leading to a failure. Without the meth my STI would most likely have not had any problems. And no I do not and did not beat the hell out of the car. I will obviously agree with the tune most likely being off, but that still doesn't change the fact that by me adding the meth lead to my engine issues.

ninjaboy76 · 03-21-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by awdmonsta

Block/entire build only had about 9,000 on it and almost 3,000 of that was breakin. Brand new Axis stage 2 block. And I did everything right too. I replaced everything. Studs, hoses, gaskets, oil pump, water pump, fluids, cleaned the heads, etc. MZM put that motor together tighter than a well you know. Either the meth was the culprit or the rods just failed due to the power. All I know is that I had misfire codes for about 2 months on #2 and #4 cylinders at low speed/idle. They went away after I got my injectors cleaned for about a week. Then about a week later I got gas and the rough idle came back. Then boom later that afternoon.

I thought you said in your first post that you blew your stock motor. This is hardly a stock motor! Damn! That sucks. I thought I had it bad when I started having issues with mine. When did Topspeed tune your car?

41ants · 03-21-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

It just seems odd that the few in this thread that mentioned they have had major engine problems all were running methanol injection. Its a great power adder and safeguard but I think I will pass on injection on my daily driver. 375whp-400whp sounds reasonable with a good tune.

Why is that odd? Especially given the title of this thread

B4RSTiwsnc · 03-21-2007, 02:21 PM

I want to run 22psi with meth and lets say something did happen and the meth cut out, would the stock block be ok if that did happen

lackskill · 03-21-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by B4RSTiwsnc

I want to run 22psi with meth and lets say something did happen and the meth cut out, would the stock block be ok if that did happen

depends on the tune...

jays05 · 03-21-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4RSTiwsnc

I want to run 22psi with meth and lets say something did happen and the meth cut out, would the stock block be ok if that did happen

This happened to me a few times, and also the fpr vacuum line popped off twice, and I'm pretty sure my motor only blew up once

Seriously though, if you had a wideband+egt gauge and caught it instantly, you might be ok.

I am not totally sure I'm going to continue using the meth injection on my new motor build though. I almost think a wet shot of nitrous would be safer

B4RSTiwsnc · 03-21-2007, 03:49 PM

yea i have the AEM wideband right now, but i want to get a TurboXS knocklight and EGT gauge and start datalogging, then i think i would be ok, also the Utec has knock control so it will retard timing when it senses knock

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03-21-2007, 07:16 AM	#32
PigsXTi Spec C Club Car: 08 XT Fav Mod: My foot! Location: N Va Posts: 1,144 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	I was just going to say that I've bit a bit questionable about meth lately. There seems to be a simalarity with engine break downs and too much meth. Too much meth can really eat away the oil in your engine leading to break down, no matter if you have a built engine or not. So you've got the octane boosting effects of meth = More Boost/power > Oil consumptions and corrosiveness. Wether its the detonation that kills your engine or the break down of oil and internal, it still leads to one SH*TY outcome...... Ninja's case definitely got me second guessing meth.

03-21-2007, 07:42 AM	#33
RacerXS S204 Racer Car: 05' Sti Black Fav Mod: Dyslexia Location: Central, NJ Posts: 3,360 Join Date: Oct 2004 Trader Rating: (13)	It's not the Meth, or any particular bolt on that kills engines for the most part......it's THE TUNE! Time & time again I see a story about how this or that "killed my motor", METH does not destroy your motor when tuned properly. In fact it can save you from detonation, which is probably the #1 killer of our motors. NinjaBoy is a perfect example of a tune destroying a motor. DON'T SKIMP on the tune! Make sure it's right on. If that means going back 2,3,4 times, then do it. Get Street Tuner, if nothing else to become familiar with how the ECU works and why. If your going to create an STi that produces over 400WHP, you better be very aware of how the car is running. Get all the proper gauges, keep your eye on everything. But most of all, listen & feel what the car is doing ALL THE TIME. If it does not feel right....do something about it! Or your going to have a broken ring land, a hole in your piston, or a broken rod. I can tell if my car is running lean without looking at the AFR gauge. Check your oil every few days, look at the oil catch cans & see whats inside, etc, etc.. You can't just drive a 400WHP STi and not be "in touch" with what the car is doing.

03-21-2007, 08:33 AM	#34
B4RSTiwsnc Spec C Club Car: 04 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: exhaust powered intake Location: Charlotte/Winston Salem, Posts: 1,180 Join Date: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	^ thats what I thought as well that meth prevents detonation. also to prevent corrosion run the car for about a minute at the least before you cut it off so that if there is any meth in the intake pipe it will soon dissolve.

03-21-2007, 10:09 AM	#35
SR2017 Junior STI Driver Car: Crystal Grey 05 STI Fav Mod: Turbo Location: Massachusetts Posts: 57 Join Date: Jan 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Over on Nasioc, there are all these guys bragging how they have got these great tunes pushing ungodly amounts of power with 25+ psi on stock turbos. And you wonder why it seems that more people are detonating their motors. Alot of what we are seeing is probably related to tuners and their clients taking chances tuning cars to their absolute upper limit and their driving their car hard. Everyone wants the most power for their given mods and pushes the tuner to impress them with their "factory freak" STI. We will always have people's engines failing, but I suspect the perceived increase is related to the amount of people pushing their power levels and their respective tuning.

03-21-2007, 10:30 AM	#36
*520* STi > EVO... Wait what??? Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan / Saint Louis Posts: 12,397 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	Which is more corrosive, Meth or Denatured Alky? +1 on the tune though.

03-21-2007, 10:39 AM	#37
xrocket21 The Next Petter Solberg Car: 2005 STI Fav Mod: Methanol Location: Boston area Posts: 931 Join Date: Feb 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	None of the failures in this thread seem to be specifically caused by meth, but rather by too much power on stock block, or poor tune. Meth itself is fine. In my opinion at least. If its washing the oil off your cylinder walls, then you are spraying too much meth. 450 HP on stock block and a ringland breaks, thats from the power level, not the meth. The corrosive properties of 50/50 meth are minimal anyway.

03-21-2007, 12:02 PM	#38
B4RSTiwsnc Spec C Club Car: 04 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: exhaust powered intake Location: Charlotte/Winston Salem, Posts: 1,180 Join Date: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	I am running 60/40 meth/water right now

03-21-2007, 12:04 PM	#39
ninjaboy76 Spec C Club Car: 08 CBR1000RR Fav Mod: None Location: Kansas Posts: 2,396 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	I had my car on the meth for about four months before I started seeing major issues. I was under the impression that 400whp was safe for the stock block. I don't think that is the case anymore, nor would I care to venture down that road again. Regardless if you think the meth caused the failure or not I can tell you that it inadvertantly did. It allowed all of these cars to go beyond the limits of pump gas and put the motor in jeopardy of blowing due to the high HP being made by running the meth. So if you look at if from a cause and effect type of situation then "yes" the meth did lead to the engine failure because it allowed the car to run higher boost and more timing leading to a failure. Without the meth my STI would most likely have not had any problems. And no I do not and did not beat the hell out of the car. I will obviously agree with the tune most likely being off, but that still doesn't change the fact that by me adding the meth lead to my engine issues.

03-21-2007, 02:21 PM	#42
B4RSTiwsnc Spec C Club Car: 04 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: exhaust powered intake Location: Charlotte/Winston Salem, Posts: 1,180 Join Date: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	I want to run 22psi with meth and lets say something did happen and the meth cut out, would the stock block be ok if that did happen