Straight Meth or 50/50 with Water? - Page 4

RacerXS · 04-24-2006, 06:02 AM

I'm going 100% meth. I'm not going thru all this to get mediocre results.

Ultimate CC · 04-24-2006, 10:25 AM

the gains from 100% to 50% aren't all that much, the water actual is a nice and advantagous part of the mix...I should be doing a dyno session where I will be comparing c16 50% and 100% on my evo...

ucbsti · 04-24-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultimate CC

the gains from 100% to 50% aren't all that much, the water actual is a nice and advantagous part of the mix...I should be doing a dyno session where I will be comparing c16 50% and 100% on my evo...

Doesn't the water do a better job at vaporizing instantly to cool the intake charge better?

I could look up the specific heats of both, but Im lazy

Ultimate CC · 04-24-2006, 10:42 AM

From what I know yes, which is why it does such a great job supressing knock and such, thats why the combo works so well because it techinically raises octane to 116 and cools better because of the water...

***520*** · 04-24-2006, 11:25 AM

i heard it was illlegal to run straight meth on the street.

anyone know?

Chris05STi · 04-24-2006, 11:32 AM

Whatever they don't know won't hurt them!!! To me, its just a normal Washer Fluid Tank with a small tank...if they ask questions, I am just monitoring the pressure of the washer fluid before it hits my window ahhahahaha. 50/50 is a good way to go, safe, cools the intake charge, and steam "cleans" the inside of the engine from carbon build up!!!!! I just can't wait to get my SMC Meth Kit....damn thing is on backorder!

ucbsti · 04-24-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 520hpSTi

i heard it was illlegal to run straight meth on the street.

anyone know?

Im pretty sure any sort of injection system is techinically illegal

***520*** · 04-24-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris05STi

Whatever they don't know won't hurt them!!! To me, its just a normal Washer Fluid Tank with a small tank...if they ask questions, I am just monitoring the pressure of the washer fluid before it hits my window ahhahahaha. 50/50 is a good way to go, safe, cools the intake charge, and steam "cleans" the inside of the engine from carbon build up!!!!! I just can't wait to get my SMC Meth Kit....damn thing is on backorder!

hhahaha nice

Mykl · 04-24-2006, 11:45 AM

How about straight water injection? I spend a lot of time on the track, which is expensive enough without having to buy methanol. Would the power gains be worth the money to buy a kit?

Chris05STi · 04-24-2006, 11:47 AM

I guess anything is better than nothing, and the improvements will def benifit you!

***520*** · 04-24-2006, 11:48 AM

might i suggest denatured alky. Cheaper than meth, more $$ than water though but it does a good job.

Mykl · 04-24-2006, 11:51 AM

I may consider that option. Methanol could potentially get expensive for me. In a 25 minute session at full throttle it's easy to go through more than a half a tank of gas. Under susustained periods of boost I can't imagine the methanol would last very long.

Ozer · 04-24-2006, 12:05 PM

You can also go with other kits. Coolingmist offers a very nice controller which can be configured with an injection map. I got it from InnovativeTuning; they usually offer one of the best prices.

To me, Aquamist looks like the best quality overall; if you even check out the web site of most other manufacturers, even their explanation of their products is very poor, and smells like marketing game. Well, it's me. Aquamist, instead, explains how their systems work rather scientifically, which makes me feel that I can trust them more.

Since all of them has very close pricing, it would just not make sense to me to wait. But well, it's me again

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Originally Posted by Chris05STi

Whatever they don't know won't hurt them!!! To me, its just a normal Washer Fluid Tank with a small tank...if they ask questions, I am just monitoring the pressure of the washer fluid before it hits my window ahhahahaha. 50/50 is a good way to go, safe, cools the intake charge, and steam "cleans" the inside of the engine from carbon build up!!!!! I just can't wait to get my SMC Meth Kit....damn thing is on backorder!

91TB78 · 04-24-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 520hpSTi

might i suggest denatured alky. Cheaper than meth, more $$ than water though but it does a good job.

This isn't correct. Typically, meth can be found for less than $3/gal, whereas denatured is usually found for about $10/gal.

50/50 is a great option vs. straight meth. It's cheaper and the power differences are minimal at best. Plus the 50/50 is A LOT safer to run than straight meth.

Straight water is also a good choice for a cheap alternative to protect against your ECU pulling timing.

Mykl · 04-24-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 520hpSTi

wait 72 buck for 5 gallons of meth. F that.

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Originally Posted by Chris05STi

Oh and I can pick up Meth for 5 gallons for like 50 bucks!

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Originally Posted by 91TB78

This isn't correct. Typically, meth can be found for less than $3/gal

Alright, so how much is methanol?

$14 a gallon, $10 a gallon, or $3 a gallon?

For less than $3 a gallon methanol would be worth it to me. I wouldn't be surprised if I'd burn a whole gallon of the stuff in a single session. Adding an extra $50 a day to an already expensive hobby adds up quick. But I can deal with another $12 in expenses per track day.

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04-24-2006, 10:25 AM	#47
Ultimate CC Amateur STI Driver Fav Mod: ALCOHOL INJECTION Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 36 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	the gains from 100% to 50% aren't all that much, the water actual is a nice and advantagous part of the mix...I should be doing a dyno session where I will be comparing c16 50% and 100% on my evo...

04-24-2006, 10:42 AM	#49
Ultimate CC Amateur STI Driver Fav Mod: ALCOHOL INJECTION Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 36 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	From what I know yes, which is why it does such a great job supressing knock and such, thats why the combo works so well because it techinically raises octane to 116 and cools better because of the water...

04-24-2006, 11:25 AM	#50
*520* STi > EVO... Wait what??? Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan / Saint Louis Posts: 12,397 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	i heard it was illlegal to run straight meth on the street. anyone know?

04-24-2006, 11:32 AM	#51
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 9,700 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (27)	Whatever they don't know won't hurt them!!! To me, its just a normal Washer Fluid Tank with a small tank...if they ask questions, I am just monitoring the pressure of the washer fluid before it hits my window ahhahahaha. 50/50 is a good way to go, safe, cools the intake charge, and steam "cleans" the inside of the engine from carbon build up!!!!! I just can't wait to get my SMC Meth Kit....damn thing is on backorder!

04-24-2006, 11:45 AM	#54
Mykl S204 Racer Car: '04.5 STi Fav Mod: ZZYZX Location: Montgomery, Al Posts: 2,751 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	How about straight water injection? I spend a lot of time on the track, which is expensive enough without having to buy methanol. Would the power gains be worth the money to buy a kit?

04-24-2006, 11:47 AM	#55
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 9,700 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (27)	I guess anything is better than nothing, and the improvements will def benifit you!

04-24-2006, 11:48 AM	#56
*520* STi > EVO... Wait what??? Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan / Saint Louis Posts: 12,397 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	might i suggest denatured alky. Cheaper than meth, more $$ than water though but it does a good job.

04-24-2006, 11:51 AM	#57
Mykl S204 Racer Car: '04.5 STi Fav Mod: ZZYZX Location: Montgomery, Al Posts: 2,751 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	I may consider that option. Methanol could potentially get expensive for me. In a 25 minute session at full throttle it's easy to go through more than a half a tank of gas. Under susustained periods of boost I can't imagine the methanol would last very long.