[munky69]

christ man, your guys dealers suck. the longest we have had a car in is like a week. and that's replacing a shortblock, under warranty. no hassle. the only time we'll hassle about warranty is if you have an assload of mods, and even then i've seen guys get stuff covered still. a guy came in full stage 4, but used a sti top mount and had a vf34 on at the time,so they argued it was sti parts and got a free oil pump and labor. sometimes the warranty BS is all the service writer and SOA, it's almost never from us techs. we don't give a crap who pays for it, as long as we get paid. **** we fight for the customer to get stuff warranty'd if we feel they're getting dicked... far as the re-flash goes, of course we have the "gear" to check for it. that's just retarded to think we don't. do they check for a reflash? i've only seen them do it once, and they just checked for one or 2 parameters, and it was ok. utec? uh yeah we kinda can tell that one, though i have seen it go before no prob... oh and the guy that got his oil pump replaced, was wearing a t-shirt and jeans, the appearance doesn't matter to SOA, though it doesn't hel pto dress kinda nice. remember, it's SOA, not us ****ign you. we can only do what SOA sez we can. even if the tell you it's not covered at first they still HAVE to submit it to SOA to get approval/disaproval

[munky69]

btw we do look on these sites from time to time. no need to worry abotu me(i'm WAAY beyond warranty ), but you might want to take this post down for your own sake...

[nero9]

Trannys don't go out from power mods until your laying down large numbers. What kills trannys most of the time is hard shifting. The shift forks inside most modern trannys is made of cast aluminum. It's this horseshoe-looking thing that slides the gears back and forth. When you shift hard from say first to second, the only thing that takes all that force is the shift fork. There are no stops for the shift lever to butt up against. So this cast piece of aluminum takes the full weight of your arm, etc. So when you slam it into a gear, you end up bending the shift fork a little. This leads to the gears not fully engaging with one-another. After a while, second gear goes out. And some of you will say that Subaru should use steel or something else. The fact is that they have to save as much weight as poss. to make mileage standards. So don't cram your car into gear. Rather than using your arm and shoulder, flick your wrist. Even then, don't force it. Let the mechanicals do the job, and be easy on the car. In the old days, when trannys were cast iron it was different. But now these things are like swiss watches... Not saying you abused the car, but I see SO many people beat on the gearboxes...

[Opie]

Originally Posted by nero9

Trannys don't go out from power mods until your laying down large numbers. What kills trannys most of the time is hard shifting. The shift forks inside most modern trannys is made of cast aluminum. It's this horseshoe-looking thing that slides the gears back and forth. When you shift hard from say first to second, the only thing that takes all that force is the shift fork. There are no stops for the shift lever to butt up against. So this cast piece of aluminum takes the full weight of your arm, etc. So when you slam it into a gear, you end up bending the shift fork a little. This leads to the gears not fully engaging with one-another. After a while, second gear goes out. And some of you will say that Subaru should use steel or something else. The fact is that they have to save as much weight as poss. to make mileage standards. So don't cram your car into gear. Rather than using your arm and shoulder, flick your wrist. Even then, don't force it. Let the mechanicals do the job, and be easy on the car. In the old days, when trannys were cast iron it was different. But now these things are like swiss watches... Not saying you abused the car, but I see SO many people beat on the gearboxes...

+10

Same here...and damage due to hard shifting is NOT a defect....

[Red'88T]

My service mgr told me if I flash my ecu, say good-bye to my warranty...

[denver133]

Originally Posted by Red'88T

My service mgr told me if I flash my ecu, say good-bye to my warranty...

It is the truth most of the time. when using the cobb, people say that dealerships can't see that. Well, my friend at a BMW dealership saw that mine had been reflashed when we tested it.

[sizzflair]

The tranny's a bullet proof tranny and it's suppose to hold pretty high numbers...

if it breaks, then it's the tranny that's wrong not the power mods that worked on the tranny...

so that would be my reason

[Boostpimp]

They just want your cash...don't give it to them.

[STI_VT]

i just got my STI back a month ago from having my 5th gear replaced. They gave me the if it looks abused its not covered under warrenty speach. I just said look for abuse you wont find any. it took them 2 weeks to get the job done, so i am sure they took their time looking, but they paid for it in full.

Did they say why they were only going to pay for half of the tranny? If not it doesnt hurt to ask why.

[WE_R_ND]

It does seem weird that they'll pay for half. If they want you to pay half something is up........

[mg5904]

Originally Posted by nero9

Trannys don't go out from power mods until your laying down large numbers. What kills trannys most of the time is hard shifting. The shift forks inside most modern trannys is made of cast aluminum. It's this horseshoe-looking thing that slides the gears back and forth. When you shift hard from say first to second, the only thing that takes all that force is the shift fork. There are no stops for the shift lever to butt up against. So this cast piece of aluminum takes the full weight of your arm, etc. So when you slam it into a gear, you end up bending the shift fork a little. This leads to the gears not fully engaging with one-another. After a while, second gear goes out. And some of you will say that Subaru should use steel or something else. The fact is that they have to save as much weight as poss. to make mileage standards. So don't cram your car into gear. Rather than using your arm and shoulder, flick your wrist. Even then, don't force it. Let the mechanicals do the job, and be easy on the car. In the old days, when trannys were cast iron it was different. But now these things are like swiss watches... Not saying you abused the car, but I see SO many people beat on the gearboxes...

Very interesting, but I imagine ultimately unsatisfying to most. Truth can be a bitter pill.

[xSTIx]

While working as a software engineer at an automotive supplier.. (Spun off from GM a while ago, and now declared bankruptcy.. hint, hint..) we had ways to tell if an ECU was reflashed. It's called a checksum, and it will change if you reflash. Some shops offer to reinstate your original configuration before you bring it to a dealer shop, but even in this case the checksum may not be the same due to the device reflashing it. (The date may be different, etc.)

Newer ECU's may use a flash charge pump monitor (This is not a pump in the traditional sense) which tells how many times an ECU has been reflashed. This is because modern day flash memory has a maximum number of times it can be flashed. (This can be complex to explain based on if it's partial or total flashing). They won't know what you flashed, but they will know with one code how many times it has been flashed.

Anyway, just want to give you guys heads up on some of this. I am not sure about Subies, but GM's can be read pretty easily for reflashing.

[HumboldtBlazer]

Originally Posted by Ben

An ECU reflash results in more torque, most times well over 60 foot pounds at the wheels if you have a TBE, which is alot. More torque means there is more stress on the drivetrain and transmission. More stress on the drivetrain and transmission can result in it breaking.

I'm not saying I actually believe your ECU caused the problem, but that is their defense and why they asked you.

Isn't our tranny rated at like 698 ft lbs of toque?