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Old 07-14-2006, 06:18 AM   #41
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He does it to minimize wear on the gearbox. I know because this video was brought up in a thread on Nastyoak, and he responded to it.

I continue to double clutch like that in my STi because I've been doing it for so long, like it appears Gary has, that it really isn't any slower than doing a single clutch downshift. My first sports car was a 1990 RX-7 with worn out syncros, so I had to double clutch to downshift with any amount of speed.

Double clutching is not necessary, but for some reason I get a thrill out of doing it just right anyway. It's taken me years of practice to perfect my timing, but I'm about at the point where I can consistently shift without syncro assistance. You can tell by how the shifter feels. If you do it just right there's no pause before the shifter goes into gear, it just gets sucked in.
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Old 07-14-2006, 07:28 AM   #42
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racing schools (e.g. bondurant or skip barber) are phenomenal places to learn double clutching and heel-toe. The formula dodges at the barber school have straight-cut 4 speeds, so double clutching and heel-toeing is absolutely necessary. We spent an entire day more or less dedicated to getting comfortable with it. Now, one year after the school, I don't think I can heel-toe without double clutching - it's that ingrained in my head.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:08 AM   #43
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did u really ask that??
its a 04 sti look at dash cup holder and also pedals
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Depending on how old the video is, it could be one of these.... I got to take an upclose look at the Long Beach GP this year. Theyre awesome to see with your own eyes:





And the double clutching isnt really necessary in our cars. If i remember right its for transmissions that aren't using synchros, etc.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:43 AM   #44
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And the double clutching isnt really necessary in our cars. If i remember right its for transmissions that aren't using synchros, etc.
It isn't necessary, but it is easier on the gearbox. I like my syncros and want them to last. Double clutching my downshifts is the way to make that happen. Also, try jamming it into first gear at an autocross without double clutching.... doesn't work too well and it's very hard on the gearbox.
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Old 07-14-2006, 08:52 PM   #45
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Depending on how old the video is, it could be one of these.... I got to take an upclose look at the Long Beach GP this year. Theyre awesome to see with your own eyes:

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And the double clutching isnt really necessary in our cars. If i remember right its for transmissions that aren't using synchros, etc.
I'm almost positive that is Gary's old WRX and not an STi. You can tell it's not an STi by the position of the tach as well. The newer car that he drives for Speed TV has the newer 05+ dash.
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:01 PM   #46
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I continue to double clutch like that in my STi because I've been doing it for so long, like it appears Gary has, that it really isn't any slower than doing a single clutch downshift.
Same here. I don't even think about it, I just do it. I double clutch upshifts too, mostly just in cold weather with a cold gearbox.
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My first sports car was a 1990 RX-7 with worn out syncros, so I had to double clutch to downshift with any amount of speed.
The first car my first wife and I owned was a 1966 Beetle with a blown 2nd gear synchro. (Back then it was not at all uncommon for cars to have worn out syncrhonizers, or even non-synchro 1st gear.) We drove the car for 60,000 miles and sold it with the same gearbox and same worn out synchro. Needless to say she knew how to double clutch too. But then that wasn't really unusual. What I find odd is how unusual people think it is today!

Synchros, bah. Clutches, bah too, for that matter. I probably shouldn't tell people this because they'll go out and break things, but driving a manual transmission car without using the clutch is actually quite doable.
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Old 07-14-2006, 11:05 PM   #48
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Synchros, bah. Clutches, bah too, for that matter. I probably shouldn't tell people this because they'll go out and break things, but driving a manual transmission car without using the clutch is actually quite doable.
Yeah, years ago when I first learned how to do it I put two and two together and I was driving around town shifting without using the clutch at all. Just rev matching and double clutching my shifts, going up and down gears.

I don't recommend that people do it for the same reason... if they don't understand how a syncromesh gearbox works, they might break something.
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Old 07-15-2006, 09:36 PM   #49
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to be techical, its the downshifting that does that. the heel-toe is the method used to achieve a smooth downshift that does not effect the balance of the car.
You are correct, that is what downshifting is for... but one would not be able to brake & downshift (at the same time right before entering the turn) without heel-toe. Heel toe is a way of downshifting.

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Old 07-15-2006, 09:57 PM   #50
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Double Clutch crew!
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