Heel & Toe + Double Clutching with Gary Sheehan ;) - Page 4

***evilSTi7*** · 07-13-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by izzodesh

did u really ask that??
its a 04 sti look at dash cup holder and also pedals
-d

its a wrx, look at the gauge cluster

***LeiboWRX*** · 07-13-2006, 04:16 PM

I heel-toe double clutch every time I downshift to keep in practice. I was forced to learn when I bought my first car, a 1979 RX7. All the synchros were shot and the only way to downshift was by double clutching and rev-matching. In a car with working synchros, double clutching gets the gearbox to the correct speed and the synchros do not have to do the work. It does save wear.

The main reason to heel-toe in a racing or high performance driving situation IMO is to prevent any chance of engine braking when downshifting. Assuming that you are cornering near the limits of adhesion, if any engine braking occurs with downshifting then the tires will break loose. In addition, the car will hopefully be in the most appropriate gear to accelerate out of the turn.

I might try have a friend take a video of the way I do it. It would be easier to understand because my feet (unfortunately) don't move nearly as fast as Sheehan's and you can actually follow the action.

It is actually easy to learn and becomes second nature after a while.

GotSTI? · 07-13-2006, 06:32 PM

I'll admit that I am completely baffled. I need to go to a racing school.

I'm a good driver... yeah... definitely a good driver.

***eatV8*** · 07-13-2006, 06:41 PM

All I have to add is goto some race schools and track days. You will learn a hell of a lot more then you will trying to copy a professional on a video.

***evilSTi7*** · 07-13-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GotSTI?

I'll admit that I am completely baffled. I need to go to a racing school.

I'm a good driver... yeah... definitely a good driver.

i would def advise you not to try heel + toe and/or double clutch on a track event if its your first time trying it. get it down on the street and then perfect it on the track.

rev_happy_sti · 07-13-2006, 07:38 PM

Yea when i went to the track, people told me to learn to heel & toe first before i go. Ive got that down and double clutching while heel & toeing at the same time, you rly have to do it all pretty fast haha.

STEye · 07-13-2006, 08:39 PM

Another reason for Heel-Toe is it puts you in the right gear when exiting the turn you just broke from. Bogging in the exit of a turn = bleh!

TitanSTI · 07-13-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by STEye

Another reason for Heel-Toe is it puts you in the right gear when exiting the turn you just broke from. Bogging in the exit of a turn = bleh!

to be techical, its the downshifting that does that. the heel-toe is the method used to achieve a smooth downshift that does not effect the balance of the car.

and as others have said, double clutching is used to bring the input side of the transmission up to speed with the output side that is being driven by the wheels, so that the synchros are not used. not nessesary in new cars, but its a good thing to know how to do. and its cool when your passengers comment on your footwork and ask what youre doing,

Garo666 · 07-14-2006, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeiboWRX

I heel-toe double clutch every time I downshift to keep in practice. I was forced to learn when I bought my first car, a 1979 RX7. All the synchros were shot and the only way to downshift was by double clutching and rev-matching. In a car with working synchros, double clutching gets the gearbox to the correct speed and the synchros do not have to do the work. It does save wear.

The main reason to heel-toe in a racing or high performance driving situation IMO is to prevent any chance of engine braking when downshifting. Assuming that you are cornering near the limits of adhesion, if any engine braking occurs with downshifting then the tires will break loose. In addition, the car will hopefully be in the most appropriate gear to accelerate out of the turn.

I might try have a friend take a video of the way I do it. It would be easier to understand because my feet (unfortunately) don't move nearly as fast as Sheehan's and you can actually follow the action.

It is actually easy to learn and becomes second nature after a while.

everything this guy said lol . . .

lokutus1 · 07-14-2006, 06:11 AM

the hard part for me with heel-toe or double clutching is not so much the foot movement, but it's blipping the gas the right amount to match the revs. a lot of times i either don't blip enough or blip too much making the transition less than smooth.

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07-13-2006, 04:16 PM	#32
*LeiboWRX* Platinum Member Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: 04 JBP STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: 11.5:1 Q-Rack Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 387 IWSTI Addict since: May 2003	I heel-toe double clutch every time I downshift to keep in practice. I was forced to learn when I bought my first car, a 1979 RX7. All the synchros were shot and the only way to downshift was by double clutching and rev-matching. In a car with working synchros, double clutching gets the gearbox to the correct speed and the synchros do not have to do the work. It does save wear. The main reason to heel-toe in a racing or high performance driving situation IMO is to prevent any chance of engine braking when downshifting. Assuming that you are cornering near the limits of adhesion, if any engine braking occurs with downshifting then the tires will break loose. In addition, the car will hopefully be in the most appropriate gear to accelerate out of the turn. I might try have a friend take a video of the way I do it. It would be easier to understand because my feet (unfortunately) don't move nearly as fast as Sheehan's and you can actually follow the action. It is actually easy to learn and becomes second nature after a while.

07-13-2006, 06:32 PM	#33
GotSTI? Silver Member Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: DGM 08' STI My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: EFI Tune Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,043 IWSTI Addict since: Jan 2004	I'll admit that I am completely baffled. I need to go to a racing school. I'm a good driver... yeah... definitely a good driver.

07-13-2006, 06:41 PM	#34
*eatV8* retired mod Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: 99 WRX STi V5 My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,840 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2003	All I have to add is goto some race schools and track days. You will learn a hell of a lot more then you will trying to copy a professional on a video.

07-13-2006, 07:38 PM	#36
rev_happy_sti Grassroots STI Racer Feedback Score: 0 reviews Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 598 IWSTI Addict since: May 2004	Yea when i went to the track, people told me to learn to heel & toe first before i go. Ive got that down and double clutching while heel & toeing at the same time, you rly have to do it all pretty fast haha.

07-13-2006, 08:39 PM	#37
STEye Spec C Club Feedback Score: 9 reviews Car: '08 DGM STI Fav Mod: So so STOCK! Location: Jer-Z Posts: 2,030 IWSTI Addict since: Nov 2004	Another reason for Heel-Toe is it puts you in the right gear when exiting the turn you just broke from. Bogging in the exit of a turn = bleh!

07-14-2006, 06:11 AM	#40
lokutus1 Spec C Club Feedback Score: 11 reviews Car: 05 WRB WRX STi Fav Mod: FYI, I'm a dude Location: Burlington, MA Posts: 2,489 IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2005	the hard part for me with heel-toe or double clutching is not so much the foot movement, but it's blipping the gas the right amount to match the revs. a lot of times i either don't blip enough or blip too much making the transition less than smooth.