[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by Digitalfiend

Now that we have the Mustang owner here, I just want to remind both sides to keep it civil or the thread gets closed. So far it has been fairly good. We're all enthusiasts here!



Not that it really matters but the same could be said that you are comparing a 4.6L V8 to a tiny 2.5L H4...almost half the displacement and half the cylinders. The cost argument really isn't a good one. A typical counter argument would be that I could buy a hatchback Civic for a couple grand, then drop $10k into an engine swap/turbo application and argue that I only spent $12-14k to be much faster than a $25k car. Also, the 04/05 STis were $31/$32k MSRP respectively - most people here seemed to get them for $30k.

While I'm not a big fan of the pre-05 Mustang GTs, I must admit, they do sound awesome and when well modded, are certainly nothing to scoff at. Though, once that STi gets a tune (especially a Protune/ECUTek instead of OTS), it will get quite a bit quicker.

Welcome to the forums!

I was just pointing out, not the overall cost, but that the STI is a bit different level of a car stock vs stock. A mustang GT is not the equivlent of a STI. The cobra is It would be embarassing to see a stock GT race a STI. Believe it or not, but the car has come along way, with realtivly few mods. Like I said, get down to it and I have exhaust, intake boltons, a light gear (most get at least 4.10s, once again preping for the blower) and cams.

I agree on the size issue, but i don't have a hairdryer either Your adding quite a bit of "displacement" right there. The base level KB blowers for my car are called 1.8L for a reason

Regardless, I am a "run what ya brung" guy. My only point was that everyone was acting like I had the car maxed out with a ton of insane mods, and only running side by side (at least till 4th gear anyway).


I have alot of respect for a turbocharged 4, espically a STI. Hell, like I said, I would own one if that was my style. I just happen to come from a v8 crowd, and the GT was the car I could easily afford when I bought it.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by jlunit416

I must have mistaken you for the "look even with some modifications I still spent less money than you did and I can still spank your car" type of person (i.e. most SRT-4 owners) and If I did, I apologize.

Nope thats not me. If I wanted to go that route, I would have a fox notch

[teamjordan23]

Originally Posted by 2000gt4.6

I was just pointing out, not the overall cost, but that the STI is a bit different level of a car stock vs stock. A mustang GT is not the equivlent of a STI. The cobra is It would be embarassing to see a stock GT race a STI. Believe it or not, but the car has come along way, with realtivly few mods. Like I said, get down to it and I have exhaust, intake boltons, a light gear (most get at least 4.10s, once again preping for the blower) and cams.

I agree on the size issue, but i don't have a hairdryer either Your adding quite a bit of "displacement" right there. The base level KB blowers for my car are called 1.8L for a reason

Regardless, I am a "run what ya brung" guy. My only point was that everyone was acting like I had the car maxed out with a ton of insane mods, and only running side by side (at least till 4th gear anyway).


I have alot of respect for a turbocharged 4, espically a STI. Hell, like I said, I would own one if that was my style. I just happen to come from a v8 crowd, and the GT was the car I could easily afford when I bought it.

You might have respect for the STI but others in V8 forums dont. Its good to see someone with a GT that respects the STI. Most of them think there car is the best thing out there but you put the same amount of work on a STI and you will have yourself a race. Im not only refering to GT owners. Most of them are too conceited and have no respect for imports like the STI and EVO.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by teamjordan23

You might have respect for the STI but others in V8 forums dont. Its good to see someone with a GT that respects the STI. Most of them think there car is the best thing out there but you put the same amount of work on a STI and you will have yourself a race. Im not only refering to GT owners. Most of them are too conceited and have no respect for imports like the STI and EVO.

There are more of them out there than you think.

I have found that most of the people that are either V8 haters OR 4cyl/import haters also have timeslips in the high 14s range. I haven't met too many people that are total assholes that are acutally packing some heat, and acutally own the cars they claim to on the internet.

I have respect for all cars that run good. The only things I have no respect for is "rice" (nothing like a full body kit and 10 foot wing on a 16 second car) and assholes on the internet

[teamjordan23]

Originally Posted by 2000gt4.6

There are more of them out there than you think.

I have found that most of the people that are either V8 haters OR 4cyl/import haters also have timeslips in the high 14s range. I haven't met too many people that are total assholes that are acutally packing some heat, and acutally own the cars they claim to on the internet.

I have respect for all cars that run good. The only things I have no respect for is "rice" (nothing like a full body kit and 10 foot wing on a 16 second car) and assholes on the internet

I dont think anyone has respect for ricers. Especially how the people who drive them act. Nothing worse than the fartcan exhausts revving. Im just saying that V8 guys have to have respect for the true imports like Supra, STIs, EVO, RX-7, and etc. On one website they called a 900whp stock looking Evo a ricer. To me that is plain ignorant. That car would take them anyday.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by Angry Alex

all BS aside..I would just like to say anyone who is at a tracks often knows that mustangs GT's are not very fast. I never lost to one in 6-7 races in my A4!. I even might have video around her of me bogging a luanch and still over taking an modded mustang GT. w/o FI that best every saw one run was a high 13.

My car is easily a 12.99 car. Dunno what was done to the ones you saw, but I am guessing not much.

Hell, even a car with just LTs, a o/r X, and some gears should go 13.50s with a decent 1.9 60' (drag radials in other words).

BTW, the fastest N/A 2v 4.6 is running in the 10s with 360~ rwhp. Not much left of the interior, but you get the idea.

There is a guy on mustang forums with a built engine, and all N/A on a streetable setup is making 340+ RWHP. Car should be good for DEEP 12s on drag radials. And thats before the spray

I mean, what are you saying here?? That the video is made up or something? Even a stock STI with a guy driving it like he was (he was RAPING it) should scratch a 13.0 ? I was pretty impressed that I could run down a low 13 second car after he launched on me like that??

Nothing exotic is done to my car. And like I said, I am FAR from the ideal N/A setup with my RWHP. I could easily slap in some 4.10s/4.30s in the rear, and I have not touched the stock suspension. I also have stage 2 cams, which is really to much for the car with no boost and stock heads.

Saying that "Mustang GTs are not fast" is a pretty stupid statement if I do say so myself.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by Angry Alex

I always assume street tires and no ones cracked open the motor and the car as has an interior when I generally talk about a type of car. If we're going crazy I can make just about anything hit 9 or 10's but since you sound like some who goes to the track also you know what I mean about the mustang. On the drag strip there is no reason to take the weight penalty and drive line loss of AWD unless you’re on real street tires. Mustang GT’s are not what I worry about when I roll up to the tree but that’s not to say with the right mod they can’t be stupid fast but regular bolt ons don't get you there. :-)

What do you consider fast?? I would consider a 13.00 pretty quick for a exhaust/intake/geared car on drag radials (nittos).

It doesn't take **** to run a 13.00 in a GT. Dipping much farther than that N/A starts to get difficult from a money standpoint. But I don't sense that this site cares much about staying N/A

A GT is far from the greatest car to modify, but there is no reason they cannot be made fairly quick for a realitvly small amount of cash.

On the other hand, yes, you are gonna see your fair share of 14.0 GTs at the track. They also make 200,000 of them a year. It is not exactly a limited edition type car like the STI.

How many 12 second regular WRX are out there compared to STI?

[teamjordan23]

Motortrend says a stock STI runs the 1/4 mile in about 13.2s. Motortrend ran a 2005 Mustang GT down the 1/4 mile in 13.5s. The STI has the advantage in the quarter mile stock. As for modded STI quarter miles you are going to have to ask the other guys here.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by teamjordan23

Motortrend says a stock STI runs the 1/4 mile in about 13.2s. Motortrend ran a 2005 Mustang GT down the 1/4 mile in 13.5s. The STI has the advantage in the quarter mile stock. As for modded STI quarter miles you are going to have to ask the other guys here.

05+ are competely different. VERY easy to hit mid 12s with just boltons.

Hell, a CAI and a tune is worth between 20 and 30 RWHP on a 05 GT. Very conservative tune from the factory.

It all comes down to the heads. 2V heads just flow like **** compared to the 4v or 3v heads.

[teamjordan23]

Vishnutuning says a STI will run 1/4 mile time of 12.4s and 0-60mph of 4.0s with just a Vishnu TBE and Vishnu Reprogrammed ECU (their upgrades). All this for about $1595. The thing is most people here use Cobb Tuning. About the same upgrades. So you can expect about the same results. How would your GT stack up with those modifications? Didnt you say you run about 12.99s so the STI should still have a slight advantage.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by Angry Alex

There are most likely more 4.6l ford V8's out there then Subbies. BTW I don't really think something is fast until the 11's. A lot of mags hate the STi (don't know way...it seems like a lot of reviews are Evo fans so they dump on the STi) but I know some mags were able to get to flat 13 stock. I wonder why the new GTs don't come out with 4v per cyl?

Gotta be something for the cobras to have the GTs don't. The 3v head acutally outflows the old N/A 4v head though. And that variable valve timing ROCKs on hard.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by teamjordan23

Vishnutuning says a STI will run 1/4 mile time of 12.4s and 0-60mph of 4.0s with just a Vishnu TBE and Vishnu Reprogrammed ECU (their upgrades). All this for about $1595. The thing is most people here use Cobb Tuning. About the same upgrades. So you can expect about the same results. How would your GT stack up with those modifications?

I could probably run CLOSE to that on full out slicks and one hell of a launch, but on the street I couldn't keep up. And for slicks I would still need about another 600 bucks plus the tires to not break something

What kinda WHP numbers are you talking with those mods?? I honestly have no idea what kinda numbers it takes to make a STI run any certian time.

[polyol]

Originally Posted by 2000gt4.6

What kinda WHP numbers are you talking with those mods?? I honestly have no idea what kinda numbers it takes to make a STI run any certian time.

TBE + Engine Managment nets anywhere from 280-320whp & 310-360wtq on the stock turbo.

[teamjordan23]

Originally Posted by 2000gt4.6

I could probably run CLOSE to that on full out slicks and one hell of a launch, but on the street I couldn't keep up. And for slicks I would still need about another 600 bucks plus the tires to not break something

What kinda WHP numbers are you talking with those mods?? I honestly have no idea what kinda numbers it takes to make a STI run any certian time.

I asked Shiv of Vishnu tuning and he said about 260-270whp on pump gas. Vishnutuning is also known for having a dyno that reads pretty low. (DD dyno) On any other dyno it would probably be close to 300whp.

[2000gt4.6]

Originally Posted by polyol

TBE + Engine Managment nets anywhere from 280-320whp & 310-360wtq on the stock turbo.

That is totally not unheard of on a n/a 4.6L. It is a bit difficult to get to 320 RWHP without swapping out the rotating assembly, but I have seen loads of people putting up 310 RWHP on a n/a motor with the stock bottom end.