[Sti-lysh]

taken down

[UturnSTi]

Sti-lysh, I'm not going to berate you for posting this... This next part is spoken in general.

Being against illegal immigration or even being a racist is one thing... But that was just plain idiotic and cruel. Ignorance is a blessing to some... Most of us have no idea just how lucky we are to have been born a US citizen. They come here for a reason... How many of the jerks like that have actually gone and stayed in a third world country to really appreciate what we have here? None most likely or they wouldn't be so harsh. We’re afforded so many things… Most of us only have to worry about what time our favorite TV show comes on. When you do not have all those safeguards you’re so accustomed too, basic survival kicks in. Finding your next meal and a place of shelter is what you worry about. Why do they come here? Their governments are f’ed up and the general populous is not educated well enough to know how to change things… The US is next door, “the land of good and plenty.” I could go all day on this subject, but I won’t and I am sure some of you are cheering. I’m against illegal immigration, but I do not knock those who want to come here and even those who do come illegally… They’re just trying to survive and make a better life for themselves.

Mods, please remove this vid as it is racist by nature, and something that does not belong on this forum.

[raindance]

uturnsti, I agree with you 100%. But censorship is censorship. Something else that's not tolerated in this country. Don't watch it if you don't wanna see it. Did you stop it before it finished? Or did you have to finish it? Just like the crap on TV. If you don't wanna watch it (or you don't want your kids to watch it), take control, switch it off.
-rain-

[UturnSTi]

Point taken. I believe this forum was formed for the automotive enthusiast in mind... Seeking or giving helpful info to our fellow enthusiast. There is a place and a time... This is neither the place nor the time. I come here to read and watch videos about cars... I do not come here to be affronted by vids in poor taste. Did I watch it through to the end? Yup. Would I recommend this video to anyone else? No. My reasons for watching? For some odd reason I am fascinated by the human psyche. I figure by observing man, I may find some answers to the "why" questions... I've found that "ignorance" is usually the answer.

[RadarOnPaws]

People and their misuse of the word censorship just kills me. Truth is, this forum is owned by individuals WHO HAVE THE RIGHT to determine WHAT GOES ON THIS FORUM and what does not. AND SO THEY SHOULD.

You do not have the right to stand up at work and start screaming swear words without getting in trouble. Censorship? NO. You do not have the right to start yelling swear words in public at passerby without the cops showing up. Censorship? NO. You do not have the right to post whatever you want to this forum, because there are and should be some rules of conduct. Censorship? NO!!!

If IWSTI was the government and they were regulating what you wrote about them, that would be censorship. IWSTI is a forum run by people paying for it out of their own pockets, and that means they have the right to decide what is appropriate and what is not. In this country we have the right to moderate and make sure our property is not misused by others. I not only support their right to do so, I wouldn't want to live anywhere they did not have that right.

[whitson01]

man sti-lysh you just opened a can of worms.. people get way too offended around here.. i understand where everyone is coming from.. imagine if the tables were turned.. what if this video was some of our troops over seas getting led around like that by iraqi's.. that would tick me off.. but oh well..

[RadarOnPaws]

I don't really care, but I wish people could grasp the simple fact that moderators doing their job is NOT CENSORSHIP!!

Do you think I made myself clear?

[crypsatir]

it was only funny because none of them got caught



what i REALLY would have liked to see is that guy in the truck taking a good ass beating.

[raindance]

Dude, censorship is censorship. Plain and simple. You sound like the guys who try to say that the Constitution says something it doesn't (or does). And radaronpaws, you're a funny guy. Just what are your qualifications for the soapbox? Hmmm?
-rain-

[pt518sti]

what was on it?

[STEye]

People's relax! I didn't see the video, but people say is racially tasteless. Dude this is not censorship. The moderators are given the right to edit/lock/etc threads at their discretion... If you don't like those rules (Why don't you consider it the iwsti.com LAWS) then stop posting here and create your own MB yourself!

Lastly don't give the mods a hard time, do you really think they enjoy being a pain in your @ss?

[raindance]

I have no clue what was on it. Don't really care. Not my point.
-rain-

[RadarOnPaws]

My qualifications are that I'm right and you are wrong.

The constitution does not give you the right to say anything you want, any place, any time. Nor should it. "Censorship" by your definition would mean no rules anywhere. Business owners would not have the right to determine what goes on in their places of employment, and forum moderators would not have the right to say something is not fit for their web site. And that would be wrong. Who pays the bills here, them, or you?

The constitution doesn't even say anything about censorship or freedom of speech, it's the First Amendment that does, and it says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It says the government can't make a law abridging the freedom of speech. Nowhere does it say forum moderators cannot decide what is proper for a forum and what is not.

Anyone is free to say what they like. But they might have to do it on their own web page if the forum moderators decide they don't like it. And that's not censorship. I'm glad I live in a country where people who pay the bills do get to set the rules. And I think the people who cry "censorship" all the time when they've no idea what real censorship is are the ones who need to get off the soapbox. Censorship is living in countries where you get tortured or killed for writing something bad about the government. It is not having a forum moderator decide something is inappropriate for their forum.

Kids today. No sense of perspective whatsoever.

[pt518sti]

Originally Posted by raindance

I have no clue what was on it. Don't really care. Not my point.
-rain-

Well of course it's going to spark some interest

[raindance]

Read this:
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
Main Entry: cen·sor·ship
Pronunciation: 'sen(t)-s&r-"ship
Function: noun
3:1 a : the institution, system, or practice of censoring b : the actions or practices of censors; especially : censorial control exercised repressively

Anyone, anytime, anywhere can censor. If the mods on this board don't want you or me to see something and they take it down they are practicing censorship. It's that simple. The question actually should be are the mods acting in a repressive manner or are they just trying to keep the board clean (whatever that means). I really don't know since I don't know what they're thinking. One thing I do know. This was a spirited conversation about an important topic and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Wasn't trying to troll either. In my mind it is censorship. That's my opinion. Your opinion is that isn't. Censorship is more subjective than we think. How do you know what censorship is? What makes you the censorship professor? Oh and by the way, a kid? Try again. I still wanna hear those qualifications.
-rain-