[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Your objective and subjective comments are noted. Thanks

As for the 91 dyno plot: I am not sure if we have one for this particular R&D piece yet. I do know we have the 91 CP35R on a stock longblock/ dyno plot. Do I have to start another post for that or can I just put it in here?

As for the R&D, the car went to Willow Springs Raceway this past weekend. The temps were about 104 degrees outside, so it was pretty toasty…and then when the car actually went around the track a few times…well that engine bay was HOT!
Anyway, here’s how things worked out for both NASA days:

1st Place Saturday with a time of 1.29.6
1st Place Sunday with a time of 1.30.1
The vehicle reached 150+ mph on the straight and handled beautifully on the turns

Of course we couldn’t have done all by ourselves. As such, Crawford Performance would like to thank our sponsors who helped make this all possible:
APR Performance
Torco Racing Fuel
Kumho Tires
Motul
NGK
I-Speed USA

I’ll post pictures and Videos as soon as I can.

Chris

[lackskill]

I think it was smart to put this Chris in charge of Page Ranking, because Quirt, was... well, Quirt. Good luck with your adventures Chris!

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by lackskill

I think it was smart to put this Chris in charge of Page Ranking, because Quirt, was... well, Quirt. Good luck with your adventures Chris!

I must say that it's kinda not the easiest role to fill but...nothing ventured nothing gained
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Chris

[prodigysubie]

freakin forum kids going by what they heard nice i just had my engine done by crawford and was nothing but happy very mildly done 325/350 tq not bad for stock everything exept the block and a vf 23 thanks chris lovin the setup

[prodigysubie]

oh yeah on a wrx forgot to mention

[Mykl]

Originally Posted by prodigysubie

freakin forum kids going by what they heard nice i just had my engine done by crawford and was nothing but happy very mildly done 325/350 tq not bad for stock everything exept the block and a vf 23 thanks chris lovin the setup

This isn't a matter of one "forum kid" coming out and spreading bad information. After much reading I'm fairly sure Crawford can build a good engine. The problem comes into play when they sell a defective product and don't back up their work. In the last 45 minutes I've counted three different people on two different message boards who came out and said that they had the same exact problem and Crawford's response was "we'll rebuild it for you, but it won't be free." Unfortunately for Crawford one of these people was one of the more highly respected members on this board, who went out of his way to protect Crawford's business until it was blatantly clear that Crawford didn't give a **** about the defective engine they sold and weren't going to make any effort to handle the situation in a way that would minimize damage to both parties.

At first when I opened this thread I thought the same thing that you just posted, and I thought it was really odd behavior on IWSTi.com, but after some reading I'd say that Crawford really screwed up. They first screwed up by not standing behind their product, then they screwed up by letting it escalate out of control. I'll probably never need an aftermarket short block, but if I do it certainly will not come from Crawford.

[La Mer]

Originally Posted by lackskill

I think it was smart to put this Chris in charge of Page Ranking, because Quirt, was... well, Quirt. Good luck with your adventures Chris!

Wow, maybe Quirt IS smart.

He still won't get a dime from me.

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by Mykl

This isn't a matter of one "forum kid" coming out and spreading bad information. After much reading I'm fairly sure Crawford can build a good engine. The problem comes into play when they sell a defective product and don't back up their work. In the last 45 minutes I've counted three different people on two different message boards who came out and said that they had the same exact problem and Crawford's response was "we'll rebuild it for you, but it won't be free." Unfortunately for Crawford one of these people was one of the more highly respected members on this board, who went out of his way to protect Crawford's business until it was blatantly clear that Crawford didn't give a **** about the defective engine they sold and weren't going to make any effort to handle the situation in a way that would minimize damage to both parties.

At first when I opened this thread I thought the same thing that you just posted, and I thought it was really odd behavior on IWSTi.com, but after some reading I'd say that Crawford really screwed up. They first screwed up by not standing behind their product, then they screwed up by letting it escalate out of control. I'll probably never need an aftermarket short block, but if I do it certainly will not come from Crawford.

You are correct. This is not about Forum kids. Rather it is about spreading mis-info and doubt, which some forum people take as gospel. You may be “fairly sure” about what you think you know, but let’s be honest here. You have developed mis-conceptions from third-fourth-fifth hand information and that is the honest truth.
I am not one to criticize, but the only people who should be speaking on such matters are ones who are/were directly involved. Ideally, those comments would benefit us all. But alas, there is always the wise guy who wants to pop in his 2cents, the punk who gets his jollies while hiding behind his mommies computer, the dissatisfied customer, or the postal worker gone Koo-koo. Everyone always has their opinion and if you don’t give yours, then you must be guilty. I think that was the same ideology back in Salem when they slaughtered the supposed witches.
Anyway, people often ask me why didn’t we say anything sooner? Because I personally stopped it from happening, that’s why. Why would I do that? At that time I felt that there was still a chance that a resolution could be made. However, a resolution can only occur when both parties can sit down, have a reasonable conversation and agree to terms. That did not occur at all. In fact, it was a few unreasonable terms which put us in the place we are.
Will talking about it now, bring any motor back to life? Sorry it will not. Will talking about it now make some sophomoric keyboard jockeys feel better? Of course it will. That’s the beauty if the internet! It gives some people a false sense that they really “are” somebody in real life. I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it is all too real these days. Sad but people really need to get out more and get off the computer.
But I digress, if you must know, I have been here, since the inception of Crawford Performance. Since that time I have seen four failures that were our direct fault. Well one was really mine….hehehehe. Anyway, three were all do to faulty rings from the manufacturer. All THREE motors were S3Ls. They were all taken in, fixed, and paid for by us. The fourth was my 2.8. Simply, I found out the hard way that I was not the tuner I thought I was…not an easy pill to swallow btw. So, I learned my lesson, and now have an R3 and it’s been in there for 55k miles…problem free. That’s the important part. If you are not willing to learn your lesson, then you are doomed to repeat it…and that goes for everyone including us!

If anyone wants to have any reasonable or mature form of communication with me or ask info on Crawford matters, then go right ahead and pm, email or call me.

But if you want to sit there and just hate on us then that’s fine too. All I ask is that you be a little more mature and, when/if the opportunity presents itself, have the strength to approach me in person to air your grievances. I learn a lot better in person

Thanks for your time

Chris

[Neanderthal Racing]

Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

Anyway, people often ask me why didn’t we say anything sooner? Because I personally stopped it from happening, that’s why. Why would I do that? At that time I felt that there was still a chance that a resolution could be made. However, a resolution can only occur when both parties can sit down, have a reasonable conversation and agree to terms. That did not occur at all. In fact, it was a few unreasonable terms which put us in the place we are.

Will talking about it now, bring any motor back to life? Sorry it will not. Will talking about it now make some sophomoric keyboard jockeys feel better? Of course it will. That’s the beauty if the internet! It gives some people a false sense that they really “are” somebody in real life. I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it is all too real these days. Sad but people really need to get out more and get off the computer.

in the interest of peace and tranquility, i have completely stayed out of this and every one of your crawford i-speed threads. but, make no mistake, when you reference me in one of them (and that's what you just did even if you didn't mention me by name) i will assert myself, as i am right now.

this really is your last warning from me as far as this thread is concerned. you either drop it right here and right now or i will deliver the same brutal ass kicking to you as i did quirt before you wisely pulled him away from the computer; you know, before he was able to ruin you completely.

don't ever reference me or our situation again, chris. if someone else brings our situation up in one of your threads, you tell them the issue is as settled as it is getting. in that case i stay out. you decide to rewrite the historical record and you are going to regret it. simple.

don't even bother responding to this. move on and prosper. say hi to quirt for me.

[lackskill]

I do know that I have read as many statements from Quirt as I need to read to know that I would not do business with him, my comment about putting chris in charge of Page Ranking was simple an observation that chris portrays himself to the public in a better light than does Quirt.

Chris,

I did however not gain any respect for you or your company through this thread. I may not have had any first hand dealings with crawford, but I have seen enough to try and help a few people here and there not end up in the same boat as a few people that have had some specific problems left unresolved. So do not take my words as a personal insult, but crawford performance ranks right up there with a bad case of diarrhea in my book.

That is all I have to say on this matter. From here on I consider this thread closed.

[Mykl]

Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

You are correct. This is not about Forum kids. Rather it is about spreading mis-info and doubt, which some forum people take as gospel. You may be “fairly sure” about what you think you know, but let’s be honest here. You have developed mis-conceptions from third-fourth-fifth hand information and that is the honest truth.
I am not one to criticize, but the only people who should be speaking on such matters are ones who are/were directly involved. Ideally, those comments would benefit us all. But alas, there is always the wise guy who wants to pop in his 2cents, the punk who gets his jollies while hiding behind his mommies computer, the dissatisfied customer, or the postal worker gone Koo-koo. Everyone always has their opinion and if you don’t give yours, then you must be guilty. I think that was the same ideology back in Salem when they slaughtered the supposed witches.
Anyway, people often ask me why didn’t we say anything sooner? Because I personally stopped it from happening, that’s why. Why would I do that? At that time I felt that there was still a chance that a resolution could be made. However, a resolution can only occur when both parties can sit down, have a reasonable conversation and agree to terms. That did not occur at all. In fact, it was a few unreasonable terms which put us in the place we are.
Will talking about it now, bring any motor back to life? Sorry it will not. Will talking about it now make some sophomoric keyboard jockeys feel better? Of course it will. That’s the beauty if the internet! It gives some people a false sense that they really “are” somebody in real life. I know that sounds a bit harsh, but it is all too real these days. Sad but people really need to get out more and get off the computer.
But I digress, if you must know, I have been here, since the inception of Crawford Performance. Since that time I have seen four failures that were our direct fault. Well one was really mine….hehehehe. Anyway, three were all do to faulty rings from the manufacturer. All THREE motors were S3Ls. They were all taken in, fixed, and paid for by us. The fourth was my 2.8. Simply, I found out the hard way that I was not the tuner I thought I was…not an easy pill to swallow btw. So, I learned my lesson, and now have an R3 and it’s been in there for 55k miles…problem free. That’s the important part. If you are not willing to learn your lesson, then you are doomed to repeat it…and that goes for everyone including us!

If anyone wants to have any reasonable or mature form of communication with me or ask info on Crawford matters, then go right ahead and pm, email or call me.

But if you want to sit there and just hate on us then that’s fine too. All I ask is that you be a little more mature and, when/if the opportunity presents itself, have the strength to approach me in person to air your grievances. I learn a lot better in person

Thanks for your time

Chris

I didn't come in here to throw insults around or attempt to drag your name through the mud. The situation doesn't involve me and I don't care enough to say too much. I'm simply trying to show you what the random forum viewer is thinking by sharing my third person observations.

If we were talking about one isolated case, you would be right. But without digging I managed to find three people who were unable to resolve their problems with you. As far as I can tell, all three people are completely unrelated. Then when the whole thing is brought public, instead of trying to do a little damage control, you come out and make things worse by actually arguing about it on a public forum. What makes it worse is that you got caught lying and continue to flat out deny it, although I haven't called Cobb personally to confirm this.

Yes, the only people who should be commenting on this are those who are involved, in private. I'm not entirely sure what prompted people to bring these issues public, but the second you let them do that, you opened the door for anybody to comment. Now you've probably got hundreds of Impreza enthusiasts on two different message boards who are very quick to recommend another engine builder over you. With all this drama floating around and your bad rep why wouldn't I want to buy an engine from somebody else? It isn't like you're the only game in town here.

Maybe this is some grand conspiracy designed to put you out of business. Maybe a few random people got together and just decided that they didn't like you for one reason or another. I don't know, and I don't care. I'm not making any accusations, and I'm not trying to start a fight... I'm just trying to post the (misinformed?) opinion of a random observer.

[Chris05STi]

Originally Posted by krazyk1371

Traditionally people only speak up when they run into problems vs those that don't. Remember Cobb and the infamous AccessPORT?

And how quickly was that resolved? Didn't they work on it non-stop until the problem was fixed? Update the customers of the progress? Answered any questions? I believe so..if its the same thread your talking about. As for Crawford...honestly loonngg ago I was thinking of getting a built engine from them in a couple of years my STi.....but after the customer service..or lack of it..and how they handled it...I wouldn't want to spend my hard earned money to someone who may back up their product and warranty it or just tell me to get the hell outta here. I also know of atleast 2-3 people who have had the same problems with their motors.....Personally, I think its horrible and really freaking STUPID how a situtation was handled.....that right there...even if it was for a defective shift knob from company ABC, I still wouldn't spend the $40 for that product for how the thing was handled. Honestly.....I would suggest a detailed warranty by Crawford Performance stating what is COVERED, and under WHAT CONDITIONS ($$$ of shipping, etc)....to give someone the smallest piece of understanding and piece of mind. Oh, and I am sorry but I have to add this:

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by BruceChapman

in the interest of peace and tranquility, i have completely stayed out of this and every one of your crawford i-speed threads. but, make no mistake, when you reference me in one of them (and that's what you just did even if you didn't mention me by name) i will assert myself, as i am right now.

this really is your last warning from me as far as this thread is concerned. you either drop it right here and right now or i will deliver the same brutal ass kicking to you as i did quirt before you wisely pulled him away from the computer; you know, before he was able to ruin you completely.

don't ever reference me or our situation again, chris. if someone else brings our situation up in one of your threads, you tell them the issue is as settled as it is getting. in that case i stay out. you decide to rewrite the historical record and you are going to regret it. simple.

don't even bother responding to this. move on and prosper. say hi to quirt for me.

Bruce you are more than welcome to your own personal opinion(s), as we all are. Thank God for America! However, to persist to make and direct personal threats to me after you are telling me to tell other people the situation “is settled” is well, not only a double standard and a tad antagonistic. In my post I didn’t threaten you, slam you, or say anything derogatory about you. I was making a very plain general description about how things transpired…i.e. my own opinion. If you personally take what I wrote as somehow humiliating or bashing you, then I apologize.

Anyway, if I may, since you did choose to post in here, use some of your post as an example, which would help illustrate what I was trying to peacefully say earlier “a resolution can only occur when both parties can sit down, have a reasonable conversation and agree to terms.” *NOTE* to you and others reading this, I am about to make a general statement which can be applied to everything from motors to restaurant food. It is NOT directed at bruce!
Threatening, abusive or insulting demeanor or “style” of communication (example: “you either drop it right here and right now or i will deliver the same brutal ass kicking…“) actually prohibits any positive communication(s) and/or resolution(s). Of course this implies that a positive resolution is what is actually desired. What’s that mean? It should always be in your best interest to try and work things out as best as possible.
Concise and non-threatening communication is very important. I learned this in college when I worked as a waiter…the things I saw customers get after they pissed off other waiters….nasty!!!

Chris

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by lackskill

I do know that I have read as many statements from Quirt as I need to read to know that I would not do business with him, my comment about putting chris in charge of Page Ranking was simple an observation that chris portrays himself to the public in a better light than does Quirt.

Chris,

I did however not gain any respect for you or your company through this thread. I may not have had any first hand dealings with crawford, but I have seen enough to try and help a few people here and there not end up in the same boat as a few people that have had some specific problems left unresolved. So do not take my words as a personal insult, but crawford performance ranks right up there with a bad case of diarrhea in my book.

That is all I have to say on this matter. From here on I consider this thread closed.

Fair enough. Thanks for your comments. In the future if you come across anyone who has a Crawford product and they have issues with it, please PLEASE... ask them to contact me. After all we can’t help resolve anything if we don’t know about
Chris

[Chris05STi]

Correct if I am wrong but: "It should always be in your best interest to try and work things out as best as possible." <---Wasn't this tried and Crawford said a big fat NO NO?!