[B3ANO]

Has Any One Installed Either A

Tein - Super Street

Tein - Mono Flex

Suspension Kit To Their 08 Sti Yet?
If So, Could You Post Picks Or Let Me No How It Is ??
Im In The Process Of Purchasing And Just Want To Double Check Them

Ive Previously Had Tein - Type Flex And They Were Perfect!! That Was In My Version 8 03 Sti,

[TaiSTI]

Just installed the TEIN Mono Flex coils on the car.

I love them. Definitely stiffer with the pillow ball mounts and the more aggressive spring rate, but the car feels unbelievable around corners.

I'm sure it will feel even better when I put 255 tires on the wheels.

The suspension is set at TEIN specs right now.

[MikeyMT]

how much of a drop is that? did you need to roll the fenders?

[Dstretch33]

Wow taisti the car looks great, 2008s are growing on me.

[Turninconcepts.com]

If your goal has anything to do with better handling, discontinue your purchase and buy soemthing else. The spring rates are all wrong for good handling as are the suggested ride heights. Lowering the car as much as in the pictures above will make the car handle far worse than even stock.

Not trying to be a party pooper and they definitely accomplish the looks department, but definitely not the performance end.

[SirMattieP]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

If your goal has anything to do with better handling, discontinue your purchase and buy soemthing else. The spring rates are all wrong for good handling as are the suggested ride heights. Lowering the car as much as in the pictures above will make the car handle far worse than even stock.

Not trying to be a party pooper and they definitely accomplish the looks department, but definitely not the performance end.

So whats a conservative suspension upgrade, that can lower the car to where it handles and looks good? Because im still stock height riding on my RZs and i need a drop soon.. Thanks

[Tuner1]

Originally Posted by TaiSTI

I'm sure it will feel even better when I put 255 tires on the wheels.

What do you plan to use? 255/35/19 is way too tall and will likely rub like mad and 255/30/19 is way too short

[jb97gsx]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

If your goal has anything to do with better handling, discontinue your purchase and buy soemthing else. The spring rates are all wrong for good handling as are the suggested ride heights. Lowering the car as much as in the pictures above will make the car handle far worse than even stock.

Not trying to be a party pooper and they definitely accomplish the looks department, but definitely not the performance end.

im not sure what you mean....my car handles 10000x better with the BC coils i had on my 08

[Turninconcepts.com]

Originally Posted by jb97gsx

im not sure what you mean....my car handles 10000x better with the BC coils i had on my 08

So you think. Go read our white papers on the 08 suspension and you will understand the short comings of the suspension.

[Turninconcepts.com]

Originally Posted by SirMattieP

So whats a conservative suspension upgrade, that can lower the car to where it handles and looks good? Because im still stock height riding on my RZs and i need a drop soon.. Thanks

At this time, I wouldn't recommend lowering the car at all for good handling. Lowering the car AT ALL will make it handle worse than stock due to a fundamental design flaw with the rear suspension.

[TaiSTI]

Well everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion in regards to handling.

Lowering a vehicle does change the dynamics of the suspension. The control arms will not sit parallel to the ground as they are stock. But there are corrections that can be purchased / made to bring everything back into spec.

I have quite a bit of understanding and numerous resources when it comes to setting up a car correctly. I do agree with you when it comes to just slapping on a set of coil overs and calling it a day. It will definitely get the looks department taken care of, but when it comes to proper performance.....there is other work to be done.

Just in case you want to know my sources, I work at Champion Motorsport here in South Florida. Our race team, Champion Racing / Audi Sport North America runs the car pictured below in ALMS. We have also won the 24 Hour of Le Mans as Champion Racing prior to our partnership with Audi Sport North America.

Champion Racing has established itself as one of the top “privateer” motor racing teams in the world. Established in 1994, six years after Champion Racing President Dave Maraj started his Champion Audi and Champion Porsche dealerships in Pompano Beac




Winning the 24 Hr of Le Mans in 2005 with our Audi R8

[Turninconcepts.com]

Originally Posted by TaiSTI

Well everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion in regards to handling.

Lowering a vehicle does change the dynamics of the suspension. The control arms will not sit parallel to the ground as they are stock. But there are corrections that can be purchased / made to bring everything back into spec.

I have quite a bit of understanding and numerous resources when it comes to setting up a car correctly. I do agree with you when it comes to just slapping on a set of coil overs and calling it a day. It will definitely get the looks department taken care of, but when it comes to proper performance.....there is other work to be done.

Just in case you want to know my sources, I work at Champion Motorsport here in South Florida. Our race team, Champion Racing / Audi Sport North America runs the car pictured below in ALMS. We have also won the 24 Hour of Le Mans as Champion Racing prior to our partnership with Audi Sport North America.

Champion Racing has established itself as one of the top “privateer” motor racing teams in the world. Established in 1994, six years after Champion Racing President Dave Maraj started his Champion Audi and Champion Porsche dealerships in Pompano Beac




Winning the 24 Hr of Le Mans in 2005 with our Audi R8

ok - now take further - what rates are you running for springs on that audi, and how much realistic travel are you seeing from the suspension? My bet is close to nill, and that most of your working spring is made up by sidewall flex for which you're damping using some kind of inerter. Beyond that, how much are you relying upon aero to keep things stuck to the ground with obscene amounts of downforce?

Downforce a car like the STi will never ever see so we're back to a suspension that's properly sprung, has travel, and performs well for the intended purpose of the car.

Have one of your suspension geeks slide under the rear end of the car, and take a look around. Then throw it up on the rack and move it through it's ranges and take a look at that. I'm betting you see what we have, and come to similar conclusions.

-Clint

[onlytakes4]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

If your goal has anything to do with better handling, discontinue your purchase and buy soemthing else. The spring rates are all wrong for good handling as are the suggested ride heights. Lowering the car as much as in the pictures above will make the car handle far worse than even stock.

Not trying to be a party pooper and they definitely accomplish the looks department, but definitely not the performance end.

My cousin does the development driving for Eibach. They are currently developing a coil over set for the STi and so far and their findings are exactly the same as stated above by turninconcepts. Any sort of significant lowering of the STi makes it handle much worse. Unfortunately, it looks really good.

[ecosme]

It is funny how most of the people in the aftermarket industry are haters and feel that unless they make the part or component it is completely wrong. I am new to these types of forums but I am catching up fairly quick to the fact that there are numerous companies writing article to move the products they sell or make. It all boils down to what the customer is really happy with. Most new guys on this industry want a race setup but realistically that is the car they use on the street every single day to go back and forth to work, eat and even drive your kid to school. So let’s face it, you might dream of having a WRC car in your garage but unless you get to drive a car of that caliber or own a dedicated race car you probably would not comprehend that you crossed the line of what most people define as a street car light years ago.
I will not get into details of the full spectrum on the study of chassis kinematic and compliance (suspension geometry) regardless of the application because it is clear to me that you might be exposed to different problem areas as you mentioned but your approach is very simplistic. This is an enormous area of R&D for most of the Factory race teams with enormous budgets. It takes crazy amount of man hours of engineers and real test drivers using equipment that is extremely expensive to properly analyze a vehicle and make iterations to improve the “handling”. On top of that let’s not forget that you are in this as business to make money on the parts you make which means the dream coilover setup you are talking about would be out of the retail price point that you could realistically move the product. It is kind of arrogant to feel that you can have “THE SOLUTION” when the majority of the time there is a compromise due to a decision that somebody makes within the organization. Yes you might think that you have “THE BEST” spring and ride height setup but maybe the car feel like crap when you are in the highway or with your girlfriend/wife in the car.
If somebody deviates from the ride height spec sheet that you supplied and chances are that with that kind of point of view they probably will lower the car more, they will be back to square one what you criticized. My point is, the guy likes to roll on 19 inch wheels, slam the car and still loves the ride (and they are available). What else can you ask for? Repeated customers know this and that is why companies like Tein, H&R, Eibach to name a few have the customer retention that they have and make the amount of money they make. Now, if you are considering building a true race car or use you car more at the track than the street and want to live with the compromise then go for that “PERFECT COILOVER SETUP”.

[Turninconcepts.com]

I agree with you and as you come to spend more time here you will realize our position on this board and in the market. Sure we are a vendor out to make money, but NOT at the expense of the customer. Repeat customers are our business and we know how to please. We take a very logical and systematic approach to modding these cars and developing performance parts. We are not the guys who make style parts or bling parts for cars. The OP mentioned performance and in my ethical means to help all consumers I explained the reasons to follow a prescribed modification plan concerning lowering and coilovers. Again, not trying to disturb the general public, but we really aim to ensure all consumers make an informed and wise decision. Something that cannot be done without people explaining the pros and cons of different setups.

In the end we are just trying to help. We list no info or release any parts without thorough research and development.

Tony