[caveguru]

Recently found these for sale on Rallispec's site. The first is the '08 version of subaru's short shift linkage for the 6MT, which can now be purchased from some dealers. The second is more interesting though. I guess its been around for a while, just never noticed it before. Quite pricy ($500+), so I had to check it out for myself. Went over to Rallispec and checked the one on their rally car. Unfortunately the car was already on the trailer for the xgames and has a dog box, but the linkage is impressively smooth and precise, with a very short and easy throw. It may feel entirely different on a car with synchros and under load, so ymmv and everything.

Image courtesy of rallispec:


Here's a normal OEM short shifter for reference:



Has anyone installed one of these or have feedback on performance, NVH, etc.??

Frank

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by caveguru

Recently found these for sale on Rallispec's site. The first is the '08 version of subaru's short shift linkage for the 6MT, which can now be purchased from some dealers. The second is more interesting though. I guess its been around for a while, just never noticed it before. Quite pricy ($500+), so I had to check it out for myself. Went over to Rallispec and checked the one on their rally car. Unfortunately the car was already on the trailer for the xgames and has a dog box, but the linkage is impressively smooth and precise, with a very short and easy throw. It may feel entirely different on a car with synchros and under load, so ymmv and everything.

Image courtesy of rallispec:


Here's a normal OEM short shifter for reference:



Has anyone installed one of these or have feedback on performance, NVH, etc.??

Frank

Can you site where u got those pics, they are too small and I would like to further investigate. thnx!





-Garrett

[Turninconcepts.com]

I can tell you what the differences are.

Both of these shifter sets have been around in the states since 04. They are the standard STI short throw shifter and the competition shifter.

The standard short throw is identical to what comes with the car in terms of bushings, but reduces the throw by 10%. The competition ****er also has a slight reduction in throw, but uses stiffer bushings or bushingless joints in some spots.

NVH on the standard will be no different as the bushings are the same. NVH will be increased on the competition variant.

This has been discussed before for the previous gen STI's with the general consensus being they are not worth the price as the Super Shifter Set gives more performance for less money.

Tony

[caveguru]

hmm. I could only find one thread on nasioc and no one in the thread seemed to have direct experience with these. Was there a longer discussion buried in some other or much older thread maybe?

Frank

[Turninconcepts.com]

Don't remember exactly, but I know I have seen it.

[Cerebus]

I bought the Group N Competition shifter for my 2005 STi. It was much better shifter compared to the stock shifter. The shifts were much more positive and shorter than the stock shifter, but not a whole lot shorter, maybe 20% at most. However, the shifter rattled all the time and would get pretty noisy. It would start rattling by 3500 rpm and would get noiser as you went up from there. That's the primary reason I wouldn't recommend it for a street car.

I actually reduced the rattling by putting in the Group N engine and tranny mounts, but it would still rattle noticably.

I've never used the Turn In Concepts bushings so I can't make a comparison.

[caveguru]

Originally Posted by Cerebus

I bought the Group N Competition shifter for my 2005 STi. It was much better shifter compared to the stock shifter. The shifts were much more positive and shorter than the stock shifter, but not a whole lot shorter, maybe 20% at most. However, the shifter rattled all the time and would get pretty noisy. It would start rattling by 3500 rpm and would get noiser as you went up from there. That's the primary reason I wouldn't recommend it for a street car.

I actually reduced the rattling by putting in the Group N engine and tranny mounts, but it would still rattle noticably.

I've never used the Turn In Concepts bushings so I can't make a comparison.

was the effort/shift time reduced much? Some aftermarket short-shifters can actually increase shift time because of notchiness or increased throw effort (my experience).

[Cerebus]

I've sold my STi and I don't really remember. I think it did take a bit more effort, but it wasn't a lot of effort. And since it was more precise, it did shift better. After all, even a slightly slower shift beats a missed shift. The stock shifter felt like you had a stick in a bag of sand, at least with the competition shifter, you actually felt like you were shifting.

Thinking about it some more, it was also a pretty notchy shifter. ( I was using factory tranny oil at the time.) The way I saw it, I went from the lousiest shifter I've ever used, to something that was adequate at worst to not bad, so from an F to a C+ or B-.

I'd really recommend trying a car with the Turn in Concepts bushings first before buying this shifter. What would be interesting would be to take a stock shifter with bushings, and compare it to the Subaru short linkage shifter with bushings as either one should be cheaper than the Group N shifter.

[EtoS]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

I can tell you what the differences are.

Both of these shifter sets have been around in the states since 04. They are the standard STI short throw shifter and the competition shifter.

The standard short throw is identical to what comes with the car in terms of bushings, but reduces the throw by 10%. The competition ****er also has a slight reduction in throw, but uses stiffer bushings or bushingless joints in some spots.

NVH on the standard will be no different as the bushings are the same. NVH will be increased on the competition variant.

This has been discussed before for the previous gen STI's with the general consensus being they are not worth the price as the Super Shifter Set gives more performance for less money.

Tony

I tried looking for a Super Shifter Set on your site. Can you link it? I found the group buy thread on it but nothing else outside individual parts and some other kind of shifter set. But it wasn't a SSS one as I'll call it from now on lol.

[Turninconcepts.com]

I can't post direct links to products due to the rules, so I will PM it to you. But you go to turninconcepts.com, click on subaru>impreza>sti>2008>driveline>go to page 2 and it's there.

[talsnic]

I have TIC's kit, with kartboy's shifter. no rattles, and no slop. I'va had it on the car for nearly 10,000km and still no issues.

its mucho cheaper than the subaru parts, with shorter shifts.

[Slimey]

Originally Posted by talsnic

I have TIC's kit, with kartboy's shifter. no rattles, and no slop. I'va had it on the car for nearly 10,000km and still no issues.

its mucho cheaper than the subaru parts, with shorter shifts.

How much more muscle do you need to do the shifts? Are they more effortful?


I have the same issue/question that caveguru mentioned. I'm interested in a shorter and more precise shifter, but not in extra work of shift.

My experience in honda/acura has been that shorter shifters increased the work of shifting -- in the end I removed the last short shifter kit that I installed because I hated the effort required. Then again, it was also a Neuspeed crap design...I discovered that I hate their products and customer service...I digress.

I do like the TIC super set though -- looks like a good package. I'm trying to decide if I really want it.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

I can tell you what the differences are.

Both of these shifter sets have been around in the states since 04. They are the standard STI short throw shifter and the competition shifter.

The standard short throw is identical to what comes with the car in terms of bushings, but reduces the throw by 10%. The competition ****er also has a slight reduction in throw, but uses stiffer bushings or bushingless joints in some spots.

NVH on the standard will be no different as the bushings are the same. NVH will be increased on the competition variant.

This has been discussed before for the previous gen STI's with the general consensus being they are not worth the price as the Super Shifter Set gives more performance for less money.

Tony

??

Yeah, I know whats a Short shifter kits is, I have bought several of them for my BMW over the years. What I am asking is the techinical aspect of this product.





Not all short shifters are the same, so I am looking at quality, engineering, craftsmenship, meterials uses, etc... But at least they can do is have some decent pictures....!





-Garrett

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by Slimey

How much more muscle do you need to do the shifts? Are they more effortful?


I have the same issue/question that caveguru mentioned. I'm interested in a shorter and more precise shifter, but not in extra work of shift.

My experience in honda/acura has been that shorter shifters increased the work of shifting -- in the end I removed the last short shifter kit that I installed because I hated the effort required. Then again, it was also a Neuspeed crap design...I discovered that I hate their products and customer service...I digress.

I do like the TIC super set though -- looks like a good package. I'm trying to decide if I really want it.

The reason they are called a short shifter, is that they reduce the length of the throw... The inherent drawback, is by whatever % you reduce the throw by, the force needed to move it is increased.

Your just moving the fulcrum point. Additionally, some short shifter kits also have a shorter shift knob hight. But that is not why they call it a short-shift kit!






-Garrett

[Slimey]

Originally Posted by Garrett

The reason they are called a short shifter, is that they reduce the length of the throw... The inherent drawback, is by whatever % you reduce the throw by, the force needed to move it is increased.

Your just moving the fulcrum point. Additionally, some short shifter kits also have a shorter shift knob hight. But that is not why they call it a short-shift kit!

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