[ssauer2004]

TIC Super Shifter well worth the bargain price!

[caveguru]

Originally Posted by Garrett;

What I am asking is the techinical aspect of this product.


Not all short shifters are the same, so I am looking at quality, engineering, craftsmenship, meterials uses, etc... But at least they can do is have some decent pictures....!

Garrett

you=use less spaces, as above^



but seriously, are you asking for a better picture of the subaru competition shifter? I wish I had one... but I will say that since you tell from the picture that the linkage is revised somewhat, the only way you're going to know how much better it works is to drive it, hence my request for experienced users.

On the honda shifters, the old integras (and miatas too) have wonderfully short and light shifters, but you're only moving gears for 200 ft-lbs around. I suspect that with our fat sti gearsand multiple synchros there's a lot more work to be done, both in terms of heft and travel distance. Now I'm not excusing subaru - their oem shifter still sucks - but I do think there will be a limit to how much any 6MT shifter can reduce the throw without suffering a significant increase in the force required.

So I'll rephrase my question- to those that have used the TIC super (short?) shifter, how does it effect the effort/speed of shifting?

Frank

[Turninconcepts.com]

The effort is increased slightly as the knob has been lowered which reduced the amount of leverage for moving the shifter from one gear to another. That being said, the shifter ont eh Subaru is very different from a Honda as it has a direct linkage to the transmission instead of through cables. Once you get the shifter moving from one gear is pretty much falls into the next. Not the case with a cable driven shifter.

Speed of shifting I feel is faster than with the standard shifter as you are physically moving it a shorter distance. The synchros do not have problems keeping up with the shorter throws.

If you are very concerned with the increased effort of shifting, pick up the bushings. They will get rid of the slop in the stock shifter and make shifting much more solid without increasing the effort of shifting.

[Slimey]

Originally Posted by Turninconcepts.com

The effort is increased slightly as the knob has been lowered which reduced the amount of leverage for moving the shifter from one gear to another. That being said, the shifter ont eh Subaru is very different from a Honda as it has a direct linkage to the transmission instead of through cables. Once you get the shifter moving from one gear is pretty much falls into the next. Not the case with a cable driven shifter.

Speed of shifting I feel is faster than with the standard shifter as you are physically moving it a shorter distance. The synchros do not have problems keeping up with the shorter throws.

If you are very concerned with the increased effort of shifting, pick up the bushings. They will get rid of the slop in the stock shifter and make shifting much more solid without increasing the effort of shifting.

Thanks for the explanation, and the comparison (I was having in my mind's eye) to Honda/Acura. I knew the cabled shifter would be part of the difference.

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by caveguru

you=use less spaces, as above^



but seriously, are you asking for a better picture of the subaru competition shifter? I wish I had one... but I will say that since you tell from the picture that the linkage is revised somewhat, the only way you're going to know how much better it works is to drive it, hence my request for experienced users.

On the honda shifters, the old integras (and miatas too) have wonderfully short and light shifters, but you're only moving gears for 200 ft-lbs around. I suspect that with our fat sti gearsand multiple synchros there's a lot more work to be done, both in terms of heft and travel distance. Now I'm not excusing subaru - their oem shifter still sucks - but I do think there will be a limit to how much any 6MT shifter can reduce the throw without suffering a significant increase in the force required.

So I'll rephrase my question- to those that have used the TIC super (short?) shifter, how does it effect the effort/speed of shifting?

Frank

I photo is just an indication of the manufacturing process and general quality..! It also goes hand-in-hand with how proud you are of your product. If your selling something, people want to taste it.

That was my only point!

[altaic]

My recommendation is to use the cobb short shifter, since it allows you to adjust throw from stock length to a bit shorter than the kartboy one. That way you can set it to the shift effort you want, and whatever knob height. I have the cobb short shifter with the array of kartboy bushings, a great combo, IMHO. The bushings, however do transmit a *lot* more noise.

It's kind of a pain to install some of them, so you may be tempted to do it all in one go (what I did). In retrospect, I think it's better for a daily driver to do the pivot bushing (accessable from in the car, under the shift boot), and see if you want the other bushings; you might like the feel of just one of the bushings and be happier with the noise level. On a track car, I'd definitely go with the whole shebang.