[HRCboy]

Things that people tend to agree on is:

Warm up engine and let it cool down afterwards

Varying the load on the engine is very important, don't just cruise on the hwy to break in your car.

That being said... I was easy for the 200km, then used varied loads on the engine. Going thru the gears and the different RPM ranges. As long as you don't keep your engine rpm at 7000rpm you should be fine during the break in.

You shouldn't be too hard or too easy during the break in period. Something in between works best in my opinion.

[07STILimited]

Originally Posted by pwn

How do you figure that? This guy just repeats himself over and over and over! He has a dumbass case! Go back and reread his response, its just repetition. He has nothing backing his case. Not to mention he expects someone to believe that just because one dude made less power than a previous year sti because he broke it in hard makes his case valid? Engines vary, not all engines are alike. 07Stilimited's argument was full of flaws from the beginning, and 008sti exposed all of them. Take a seat.

Why do you think I have to be so repetitive? It’s because of morons like you who call COUNTLESS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS of R&D by every manufacturer in the world "nothing." It's because of people like you who call the opinions of the very people who design and build all of these "varying" engines a "dumb ass case." It's hard to know what to say to someone who calls the opinions of every car maker in the world "an argument full of flaws."

Whether or not we landed on the moon is not debated at all by the people at NASA. Whether or not we landed on the moon is highly debated on the internet.

Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road cars is not debated at Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Audi, Honda or Subaru. Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road going cars is highly debated on the internet.

I have no problem with all of the idiots who do this messing up their cars. I just don't like it when they end up reselling their cars to innocent victims or when they make powertrain warranty claims because they were too stupid to listen to their owner’s manual.

[gormansscooby]

Its definitely an interesting theory. I dont really see anything to support it though. And the point of all manufacturers recommending a smooth easy break in is a strong one. Until i have 35 grand to wipe my ass with i think ill stick with the old fashion way though. On a side note it is pretty funny that the website looks like a pop up for penis enlargement pills lol.

[jaybird09]

I did a hard break in... I just held it wide open in N for about an hour and called it good.

[jph]

Originally Posted by 07STILimited

Why do you think I have to be so repetitive? It’s because of morons like you who call COUNTLESS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS of R&D by every manufacturer in the world "nothing." It's because of people like you who call the opinions of the very people who design and build all of these "varying" engines a "dumb ass case." It's hard to know what to say to someone who calls the opinions of every car maker in the world "an argument full of flaws."

Whether or not we landed on the moon is not debated at all by the people at NASA. Whether or not we landed on the moon is highly debated on the internet.

Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road cars is not debated at Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Audi, Honda or Subaru. Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road going cars is highly debated on the internet.

I have no problem with all of the idiots who do this messing up their cars. I just don't like it when they end up reselling their cars to innocent victims or when they make powertrain warranty claims because they were too stupid to listen to their owner’s manual.

relax buddy!


J.

[07STILimited]

Originally Posted by gormansscooby

Its definitely an interesting theory. I dont really see anything to support it though. And the point of all manufacturers recommending a smooth easy break in is a strong one. Until i have 35 grand to wipe my ass with i think ill stick with the old fashion way though. On a side note it is pretty funny that the website looks like a pop up for penis enlargement pills lol.

It's no coincidence that it looks that way. The type of people who order those pills believing they will get some extra inches are the same type of people who believe they are going to get some extra HP and reliability from motoman's advice.

[waktasz]

I did an easy break in on my 08 and it burns 3 quarts a month. Go figure.

[Bownse]

Originally Posted by waktasz

I did an easy break in on my 08 and it burns 3 quarts a month. Go figure.

what's that in miles?

[07STILimited]

One other thing I will add to this... Motoman's page is a joke, so I haven't directly addressed anything on it until now. Since so many people seem to believe it I will point something out. If you believe motoman and his pictures (which I do not) you have to take into account that he has done absolutely no tests at all under controlled conditions. Comparing two motorcycle pistons that were taken off of different motorcycles after "a full season of racing" is not a controlled test and therefore the results of it mean absolutely nothing.

Car manufacturers test car engines under lab controlled conditions. Neither engine is driven harder or redlined more often. They both are given the exact same tests with the exact same fluids, air, maintenance ect. Therefore you can actually learn something from the results. You can either believe the results of thousands of controlled tests by hundreds of car manufacturers, or you can believe the results of one or two alleged UNCONTROLLED tests by one guy comparing motorcycle engines. Motoman has never tested an STI engine. Guess who has….. Subaru! Could the correct method be any more obvious?

[RoninHatch]

Previous to my STI i had 2 new hondas which i took very easy during the first 600 miles. Both burned oil to the tune of 1qt between 3000 mi intervals. Each car continued to burn oil up till the time of trade in which occured at 50k. I didnt beat the hell out of my car but i havent been super easy. Like someone said every car has 4-6 miles when you pick it up. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THE 6 MILES WERE EASY MILES?

[waktasz]

Originally Posted by Bownse

what's that in miles?

Less than 1000. Probably closer to 700.

[BuzSTid]

did anyone else notice that motoman hasn't updated his site in years.... i think the last "newsletter" i received from the site was in 2005. the ads seem to be updated though, prolly pays for his racing n research. he had an interesting read on intake tract modifications

[pwn]

Originally Posted by 07STILimited

Why do you think I have to be so repetitive? It’s because of morons like you who call COUNTLESS BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS of R&D by every manufacturer in the world "nothing." It's because of people like you who call the opinions of the very people who design and build all of these "varying" engines a "dumb ass case." It's hard to know what to say to someone who calls the opinions of every car maker in the world "an argument full of flaws."

Whether or not we landed on the moon is not debated at all by the people at NASA. Whether or not we landed on the moon is highly debated on the internet.

Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road cars is not debated at Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Audi, Honda or Subaru. Whether a soft break in is a good idea or not for road going cars is highly debated on the internet.

I have no problem with all of the idiots who do this messing up their cars. I just don't like it when they end up reselling their cars to innocent victims or when they make powertrain warranty claims because they were too stupid to listen to their owner’s manual.

More repetition and now...something about the moon?

[pwn]

Originally Posted by 07STILimited

It's no coincidence that it looks that way. The type of people who order those pills believing they will get some extra inches are the same type of people who believe they are going to get some extra HP and reliability from motoman's advice.

And now because you can't make a decent case you have to resort to low blows. Give up.

[SCMedic]

Originally Posted by pwn

And now because you can't make a decent case you have to resort to low blows. Give up.

Inches/Pills and then a "Low blows" comment... What's this site coming to???

Either way, I didn't kill my 08, but I definately didn't keep it under 4k for a thousand miles, and it seems to run top notch. The 1k oil change didn't show any odd metal shavings or any low oil numbers...