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Old 04-30-2008, 08:17 AM   #1
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I am just beginning to learn heel/toe and am having a hard time with my sti. I don't have huge feet, but I am barely hanging on the brake while blipping. Are the pedals spaced a little too far for some or do i just need to sack it up and learn it like this? Do people bend or adjust the pedals ever?


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Old 04-30-2008, 08:22 AM   #2
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Practice. It took me a few weeks to do learn how to do it and now I do it without even thinking about it. The way I was able to replicate it the best was to have the LEFT side of my RIGHT foot on the brake and roll my RIGHT leg to the RIGHT onto the throttle. Practice in a parking lot, w/o obstructions so you don't end up in the woods trying it on the street.

It'll take a little bit, but you'll get it!
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:34 AM   #3
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Same here. It is easy to do so with barefoot or racing shoes, but not the case with athletic shoes on. I also found to use the left side of the right foot and throttle on the right side to help. Won't be able to do it like those BM vids for a while.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:04 AM   #4
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LEFT side of my RIGHT foot on the brake and roll my RIGHT leg to the RIGHT onto the throttle.
... Essentially this is correct. But, literally roll at your heel (ankle) rather than your whole leg. You might find that if you roll your leg, you'll just end up having to reset your leg later on. It's almost like you are stretching your ankle. Otherwise, take a Skip Barber class. Too fun!

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Old 04-30-2008, 11:07 AM   #5
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Default Re: Heel/Toe

The '08 STI's have different pedal spacing than 04-07 STI's. The difference is not favorable for heel toe shifting.

I've gotten used to it, but it's quite awkward compared to my '07. The accelerator is mounted lower, and the brake pedal is higher, so it's a more awkward twist of your foot to get it right.

BTW, it's more heel/side-of-foot than heel/toe. And don't bend your pedals lol.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:18 AM   #6
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For me - it's left side of ball of foot on the right side of the brake pedal; right side of heel over the lower portion of the accelerator (picture the foot held at about a 45 degree angle).

When the brake pedal is partially depressed under braking, it becomes easier to also blip the accelerator with the heel/right side of the foot.

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Old 04-30-2008, 12:18 PM   #7
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Another difference with the JDM one? No one in Japan is complaining about it, and the BM vid's Hattori does it effortlessly.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:13 PM   #8
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I'm sure they're the same. I don't have any trouble in my '08, and haven't ever had any trouble in any of my cars, actually. It's all in your technique, just keep working on it and you'll get it figured out.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:38 PM   #9
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Japanese peeps have ittty bitty feets
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Old 04-30-2008, 05:38 PM   #10
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Every one is different...different size shoes....different size feet. You just need to find your own way. Assuming you understand the concept it will fall into place. Like someone said, practice in a parking lot, or even standing still in your driveway, or downshift through the gears when coasting up to lights. The new pedals are a little far apart in terms of hieght, which for normal daily driving makes heel and toeing somewhat more of an effort, however with maximum braking you will find that they are actually in a great position.
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Old 05-01-2008, 08:14 AM   #11
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Default Re: Heel/Toe

I found it harder to heel and toe in my '08 than my '05 (which was a breeze). The problem seems to come from the throttle pedal being closer to the tranny tunnel (or the tranny tunnel is fatter). I've since adjusted by putting the ball of my foot up higher on the brake and rolling onto the throttle with the side of my foot. In my '05 I could position my foot a bit lower (and therefore more naturally) and blip more with the side of my heel.

Now that I'm used to it though, I don't have any problems other than the clutch being ridiculously soft.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:12 AM   #12
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lol, totally forgot that the JDM model doesn't have that tranny tunnel. lucky bastards
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:58 AM   #13
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It feels way more possible with driving shoes for me. Cant even come close to making it work with running shoes. I cant wait to get it down.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:47 PM   #14
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Christ... I should be considered coordinated for what I do for a living... but I can't do this hell / toe shizznit for the life of me.
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Another difference with the JDM one? No one in Japan is complaining about it, and the BM vid's Hattori does it effortlessly.
I have a RHD Euro 08 STI and have no problems with heel toe downshifts. Seems like it affects LHD more because of that tranny tunnel. Oh, on the other hand, i do have itty bitty feet.


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