protune

ITSHON · 04-10-2008, 11:33 AM

I am curious to know if I run a cobb dp with CBE would the stage 2 OTS map from cobb work? Or would it be better to get it protune?

twigg107 · 04-10-2008, 11:37 AM

It will work fine but if you want the most power out of it, then a protune would be smart to have done.

GilMikalian · 04-10-2008, 04:55 PM

Well I can tell you that the Cali Stage 2 map along with a Cobb DP does NOT need a Protune as this map is already at Protune levels. This was personally confirmed by Dan Harman at Harman Motive in Torrance.

The addition of a CBE may change things but it is my understanding that a CBE is not going to provide much power, and may not be worth the $450 or so for a Protune based on the power you're getting out of the transaction.

Overall, based on my personal experience, I don't think a Protune is going to do much for you, if anything.

ITSHON · 04-10-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GilMikalian

Well I can tell you that the Cali Stage 2 map along with a Cobb DP does NOT need a Protune as this map is already at Protune levels. This was personally confirmed by Dan Harman at Harman Motive in Torrance.

The addition of a CBE may change things but it is my understanding that a CBE is not going to provide much power, and may not be worth the $450 or so for a Protune based on the power you're getting out of the transaction.

Overall, based on my personal experience, I don't think a Protune is going to do much for you, if anything.

Thanks GilM, that is what I was thinking too. The CBE isn't going to justify the gain increase for paying $450 for the tune.

NC2008STI · 04-10-2008, 06:33 PM

I was running Cobb stage 2 and was rated at 288 torque and 250hp on a mustang dyno. After the protune I was at 311 torque and 258hp. The reason I did it was I threw a CEL for an overboost, so I wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. I got a little more power but have not thrown a CEL since!!!

SonicBoom · 04-10-2008, 07:25 PM

I think there is more to the protune than "more power".. yes, that is our ultimate goal but.. for instance, I dyno'd 282whp/317tq with Cobb stg.2... protune put me at 290whp/334tq. Thats not a whole lot of power gained, however... My tuner said the Cobb map was making good power, but not safely.. levels were all over the place. Now I'm making slightly more power, but a hell of a lot more safely. And also, the boost comes on sooner and every gear is much smoother. I haven't ran a 1/4 with it yet, but I'd be willing to bet my protune 1/4 would be a lot faster than OTS stg. 2... So, for me, it was worth the $360 bucks, I know my car is a lot happier!

GilMikalian · 04-11-2008, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC2008STI

I was running Cobb stage 2 and was rated at 288 torque and 250hp on a mustang dyno. After the protune I was at 311 torque and 258hp. The reason I did it was I threw a CEL for an overboost, so I wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. I got a little more power but have not thrown a CEL since!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SonicBoom

I think there is more to the protune than "more power".. yes, that is our ultimate goal but.. for instance, I dyno'd 282whp/317tq with Cobb stg.2... protune put me at 290whp/334tq. Thats not a whole lot of power gained, however... My tuner said the Cobb map was making good power, but not safely.. levels were all over the place. Now I'm making slightly more power, but a hell of a lot more safely. And also, the boost comes on sooner and every gear is much smoother. I haven't ran a 1/4 with it yet, but I'd be willing to bet my protune 1/4 would be a lot faster than OTS stg. 2... So, for me, it was worth the $360 bucks, I know my car is a lot happier!

I came in at 256whp/294wtq on a Mustang and the lower numbers are most likely due to the wonderful fuel

we get to use in Cali. The different power ratings and boost issues we see on this board do not necessarily apply to everyone. Luckily, I had not CEL issues. This is just another example. That's why I chimed in for the benefit of the OP since we're dealing with the same maps and same fuel.

And I agree with Sonic, the tune is not all about power, it's about reliability and longevity since my STI is my DD and plan on keeping it for a while. The off-the-shelf CALI stage 2 was producing the most possible power while remaining safe. Again, I'm just parroting what Dan told me and I tend to believe the guy. Especially when he could have charged me money for a Pro-Tune but told me not really worth it.

ITSHON · 04-11-2008, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilMikalian

I came in at 256whp/294wtq on a Mustang and the lower numbers are most likely due to the wonderful fuel

we get to use in Cali. The different power ratings and boost issues we see on this board do not necessarily apply to everyone. Luckily, I had not CEL issues. This is just another example. That's why I chimed in for the benefit of the OP since we're dealing with the same maps and same fuel.

And I agree with Sonic, the tune is not all about power, it's about reliability and longevity since my STI is my DD and plan on keeping it for a while. The off-the-shelf CALI stage 2 was producing the most possible power while remaining safe. Again, I'm just parroting what Dan told me and I tend to believe the guy. Especially when he could have charged me money for a Pro-Tune but told me not really worth it.

Yes, my other concern was the reliability. I know the power will be there but if it's not running safe it would be kind of pointless.

jtrean · 05-13-2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC2008STI

I was running Cobb stage 2 and was rated at 288 torque and 250hp on a mustang dyno. After the protune I was at 311 torque and 258hp. The reason I did it was I threw a CEL for an overboost, so I wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. I got a little more power but have not thrown a CEL since!!!

that is wat ive been wondering.i want to go stage 2 but if im gonna throw a code all the time then i would rather not. its good to know that urs is not throwing a CEL anymore! wat else are u using? which downpipe?

**Harman Motive** · 05-13-2008, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilMikalian

Well I can tell you that the Cali Stage 2 map along with a Cobb DP does NOT need a Protune as this map is already at Protune levels. This was personally confirmed by Dan Harman at Harman Motive in Torrance.

The addition of a CBE may change things but it is my understanding that a CBE is not going to provide much power, and may not be worth the $450 or so for a Protune based on the power you're getting out of the transaction.

Overall, based on my personal experience, I don't think a Protune is going to do much for you, if anything.

Just to be fair, this was the case with YOUR CAR. We Protune cars because there is a variance between them all. You'll see when I post up our latest tests.

And regarding numbers, I think you got a Wednesday car man. Last Stg 2 Cobb map we dynoed made 240whp and 290tq w/ a turboback!

- Dan

GilMikalian · 05-14-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harman Motive

Just to be fair, this was the case with YOUR CAR. We Protune cars because there is a variance between them all. You'll see when I post up our latest tests.

And regarding numbers, I think you got a Wednesday car man. Last Stg 2 Cobb map we dynoed made 240whp and 290tq w/ a turboback!

- Dan

Good to know! And I try to preface my posts by limiting to my experience. Hopefully all out there realize that there are variances from car to car. And thanks again for the all the help Dan. Especially with the video of the exhaust, very well thought out and provided exactly the type of information a prospective buyer would want to know.

And to provide an update, I did throw a boost CEL gunning it uphill on the 405 in 6th at around 3k rpm so I guess a pro-tune may have helped me avoid that, but for now, I'll just shift like I'm supposed to!

Anyway, to show how close I am without a full TB, I've inserted Dan's and my dyno charts below.

Left one is Dan's....Right one is mine.

NC2008STI · 05-15-2008, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrean

that is wat ive been wondering.i want to go stage 2 but if im gonna throw a code all the time then i would rather not. its good to know that urs is not throwing a CEL anymore! wat else are u using? which downpipe?

I am running a cobb DP to the stock exhaust.

waktasz · 05-15-2008, 05:26 AM

That graph on the left is comparing stock to stage 2? The stock curve is UGLY. Jesus.

jtrean · 05-15-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NC2008STI

I am running a cobb DP to the stock exhaust.

did u get good results with it?

04-10-2008, 11:33 AM	#1
ITSHON Junior STI Driver Car: 08-STI DGM Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Los Angeles Posts: 86 Join Date: Mar 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	protune I am curious to know if I run a cobb dp with CBE would the stage 2 OTS map from cobb work? Or would it be better to get it protune? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

04-10-2008, 11:37 AM	#2
twigg107 Spec C Club Car: 08 DGM STI Fav Mod: Me..... Location: Vancouver, Wa Posts: 1,341 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: protune It will work fine but if you want the most power out of it, then a protune would be smart to have done.

04-10-2008, 04:55 PM	#3
GilMikalian Silver Member Car: '08 DGM STI w/BBS Fav Mod: Britax Roundabout Location: L.A. Posts: 712 Join Date: Jan 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: protune Well I can tell you that the Cali Stage 2 map along with a Cobb DP does NOT need a Protune as this map is already at Protune levels. This was personally confirmed by Dan Harman at Harman Motive in Torrance. The addition of a CBE may change things but it is my understanding that a CBE is not going to provide much power, and may not be worth the $450 or so for a Protune based on the power you're getting out of the transaction. Overall, based on my personal experience, I don't think a Protune is going to do much for you, if anything.

04-10-2008, 06:33 PM	#5
NC2008STI Junior STI Driver Car: 08 Dark Gray STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: NC Posts: 87 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: protune I was running Cobb stage 2 and was rated at 288 torque and 250hp on a mustang dyno. After the protune I was at 311 torque and 258hp. The reason I did it was I threw a CEL for an overboost, so I wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. I got a little more power but have not thrown a CEL since!!!

04-10-2008, 07:25 PM	#6
SonicBoom Professional STI Racer Car: WRB 06 WRX STI Fav Mod: Stage 2 Location: Atlanta Posts: 727 Join Date: Aug 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: protune I think there is more to the protune than "more power".. yes, that is our ultimate goal but.. for instance, I dyno'd 282whp/317tq with Cobb stg.2... protune put me at 290whp/334tq. Thats not a whole lot of power gained, however... My tuner said the Cobb map was making good power, but not safely.. levels were all over the place. Now I'm making slightly more power, but a hell of a lot more safely. And also, the boost comes on sooner and every gear is much smoother. I haven't ran a 1/4 with it yet, but I'd be willing to bet my protune 1/4 would be a lot faster than OTS stg. 2... So, for me, it was worth the $360 bucks, I know my car is a lot happier!

05-15-2008, 05:26 AM	#13
waktasz Professional STI Racer Car: 08 STI Family Wagon Fav Mod: Autotrader.com Location: Philly Posts: 732 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: protune That graph on the left is comparing stock to stage 2? The stock curve is UGLY. Jesus.