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Originally Posted by DecoySTi

i have an 04 STi and i have JIC coilovers and i was wondering if i could get some feedback on how good these are.

do a search on nasioc for "calling all JIC owners"

you wont be happy but you'll get the info you're looking for.

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Originally Posted by paul n

I had HKS and now tein Expensive as hell , and they both sucked. Great for racing or autucross , but they make a ton of noise and the ride quality slowly degrades. It's softest becomes unbearable. A stock type with lowering springs is best. I switched to KYB's with swft springs. Much better and not killing my car.

saying they both sucked isn't exactly right.

you bought race coilovers for the street and weren't ready to pay the price to play.

most japanese coilovers require rebuilds every 12-18 months and some are even less.

they aren't designed to be comfortable, they are designed to perform on a race track.

did they suck as a product? probably not.

did they suck for what you were trying to use them for? yes, yes they did.

[DecoySTi]

Originally Posted by Chris

Then you should have asked that instead of asking for feedback. Asking for feedback means you want to know how the handling, ride quality, etc is not if JIC is a good company.

Just an FYI learn to take some criticism without getting all but hurt over it, it will serve you much better here.

asking if theyre good. usually means someone who knows about them would be like "oh theyre good pretty reliable good company" you know i mean its common knowledge when someone says they want feedback. they usually want feedback on everything.

and how is what the other guy said criticism? he was just being an idiot thats all

[DecoySTi]

Originally Posted by T3h_Clap

do a search on nasioc for "calling all JIC owners"

you wont be happy but you'll get the info you're looking for.

thank you i appreciate it

[Z1 Performance]

Originally Posted by T3h_Clap

saying they both sucked isn't exactly right.



most japanese coilovers require rebuilds every 12-18 months and some are even less.
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I'd completely disagree with that statement - I've never sent a single set of coilovers I've owned, be they Japanese or otherwise, out for a rebuild due to "longevity" issues, as they simply have never needed them (track and street use). The only time I've had a coilover setup rebuilt is when I made changes to the spring rates that were beyond what the damper could otherwise deal with. I would agree however, that there should be certain expectations when buying coilovers

Increased NVH is one, especially on a setup that has pillowball mounts.

The ride need not be unbearable...just takes some research to make sure you are getting the right coilovers to suit YOUR needs, driving style, wheel/tire combo and the road conditions where you live.

With coilovers, perception is NOT reality. Many people honestly have no idea what a proper suspension setup feels like, and automatically will equate different to either better or worse. What it takes is going off the recommendations of people who have spent time using more than 1 option, and then, being willing to spend the money where needed on a setup recommended to you. What's more, the overall ownership experience on any coilover, has as much to do with the install and setup, as it does the damper itself. I've seen countless cars come in where they were simply setup wrong and as a result, performance absolutely suffered.

There are excellent coilovers at every price point, from lower end to higher end - some careful research and speaking with knowledgeable people (not just sales pitches) will yield the results.

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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance

I'd completely disagree with that statement - I've never sent a single set of coilovers I've owned, be they Japanese or otherwise, out for a rebuild due to "longevity" issues, as they simply have never needed them (track and street use). The only time I've had a coilover setup rebuilt is when I made changes to the spring rates that were beyond what the damper could otherwise deal with. I would agree however, that there should be certain expectations when buying coilovers

so when my buddies Zeals performance got worse and made more noise and he contacted zeal with the issues, they said a rebuild was in order.

you wouldn't attribute that to almost 24 months of autox and daily driving? (in Florida, so no Snow).

also Cusco ones that have the same issues the zeals had but only after 6 months?

one of the reason i run my KW's is their rebuild intervals are suggested @ 3 years.

I'm not doubting that you know what you're talking about, i've just personally witnessed otherwise.

[Z1 Performance]

Originally Posted by T3h_Clap

so when my buddies Zeals performance got worse and made more noise and he contacted zeal with the issues, they said a rebuild was in order.

you wouldn't attribute that to almost 24 months of autox and daily driving? (in Florida, so no Snow).

also Cusco ones that have the same issues the zeals had but only after 6 months?

one of the reason i run my KW's is their rebuild intervals are suggested @ 3 years.

I'm not doubting that you know what you're talking about, i've just personally witnessed otherwise.

Obviously I can't comment on your annecdotal scenarios, all I can do is share my own experiences. We've been a Zeal dealer now for almost 4 years. I've never had to send, nor had a customer call us to arrange, rebuilding. We've been a Cusco dealer for longer, and I cannot even count at this point how many sets of coilovers, for a wide range of cars, we've sold.

Everyone's ownership experience will be different, and completely unique to the conditions under which the coilovers are used, the roads, the tires, etc.

I'm on my second set of coilovers on my 350Z alone in 3 years...first Cusco, now HKS. Over 25k miles of hard track, and daily driving on each setup (52k on the car total) and again, neither of my sets have needed rebuilds.

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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance

Obviously I can't comment on your annecdotal scenarios *removed to save space*

hmm, very interesting.

I guess I'll need to do a little more research on the topic.

If i find anything worth while i'll report back.

[Z1 Performance]

it wasn't intended to be a snip The internet has no real way of conveying emotion

My only point is that 2 scenarios are not my idea of concrete evidence, one way or the other. Just like if all the evidence I had was my own coilover ownership experience (about 6 sets over the last 5 years on a variety of cars).

[T3h_Clap]

Originally Posted by Z1 Performance

it wasn't intended to be a snip The internet has no real way of conveying emotion

My only point is that 2 scenarios are not my idea of concrete evidence, one way or the other. Just like if all the evidence I had was my own coilover ownership experience (about 6 sets over the last 5 years on a variety of cars).

haha no i wasn't saying you were snippy i was just saying i snipped that part out so people didn't have to read it twice. sorry about that. I'll correct it.

[Z1 Performance]

lolololol

internet jargon p0w3d's me

[GTWORX.com]

Just had someone call us today for a Cusco Zero2R rebuild.

[paul n]

Originally Posted by T3h_Clap

saying they both sucked isn't exactly right.

you bought race coilovers for the street and weren't ready to pay the price to play.

most japanese coilovers require rebuilds every 12-18 months and some are even less.

they aren't designed to be comfortable, they are designed to perform on a race track.

did they suck as a product? probably not.

did they suck for what you were trying to use them for? yes, yes they did.

I understand that you think i bought a race part not knowing that it was just that. A race part. Absolutly not man. I thought i was buying a Street/track part totally adjustable backed by a reputable company. The Hks Coilovers started failing after 2 months , and they all eventually fell apart after 6 months. I sent them to HKS and they had them for 7 months. A 7 month rebuild? The tein coilovers started making noise after 8 months. This is just city driving. The HKS went to 1 autocross event and just 1 race. The geometry of the WRX doesn't allow the coilovers to work properly. Something about the angle is wrong. I can say this cause i had 2 sets fail. The best way to go is a stock type setup with a good spring which i've had for awhile now with no problems. You just can't lower a WRX or STI without a compromise and problems down the line. Ask anyone who's had experience. Too expensive to justify the hassle. A race part should standup to normal driving. If it doesn't it should NOT be considered a race or street part just JUNK.

[paul n]

Adam from Z1 helped me with those HKS coilovers. I bought them from Metric and got the runaround forever. I hope you remember me Adam. I was the guy that couldn't get HKS to help.
Adam did help but HKS gave him a hard time Dave Brown tried to help too still took 7 months. Luckily I sent HKS a email and got a name after just 1 month with them on. So there was proof that they failed after 1 month.
Not trying to be a jerk know it all, i just had experiences. This Forum is about sharing knowledge and experiences.

Adam I guess you did forget about these coilovers failing and you trying to send them back for me. Remember dave Brown calling you on it?

[koreano10is]

anyone know anything about the zero/sports coilovers? edo performance is selling them