[ace996]

My comments in red below...

Originally Posted by M3 Fanatic

Wow.

I have raced about 8,000 laps at LRP- -I don't believe you...you're a piker and a clown -but hey, that's quite a bit of experience, surely you can share some positive thoughts/tips on the course...do you have any video or dataloggs on Limerock or other tracks?...I've been there only 3 times and never had someone faster than me in my group to learn from...perhaps you run in the RED group and can show me a thing or two next season.... I couldn't believe for a second that you run 3's driving like you do.yeah, that's what thy all say..don't feel so bad, it's all trickery of the video and dataloggs I used to run mid 4's all dday long in my 88 M3 at 220 h.p and a daily driven street car w/ stock sways and brakes.-...you're our new hero!!!...

You never hit the apex once let alone were smmoth enough to be quick.surely I hit an apex at least once that day...As stated by you before with the 4's...I was quicker than you...and on shagged streets in the cold... but hey, where's your video with the '4s or better...? Is it in your little M3Clown car?...

in fact that scary moment entering Big bend where you miss the apex by 5 feet and nearly tank slap it was hysterical!-It was great fun...late point-by by the Audi had me carrying some extra speed on entry... a lotus ExigeS behind me said it looked awesome...best save he's seen... still jealous????

better slow down dude or your sure to ball it up at the end of no name straight............. NNS...really??? You just can't help talking $hit, can you, clown???

I am heqavily consodering getting an STI-if your Daddy will buy you one, come on in...I'm sure the BMW forums will be glad to rid themselves of you.. Awesome cars! does this mean I could run 0 flats in your car? -'0flats for you will be hard...and certainly not on overcooked stock tires and a 40degree day...thats awfully quick in a street car.- I'll let youknow next season what it feels like...I'll even let you clean my wheels when I'm done...

and that 500K point by, you drive 500K car at speed and lets see how bold you are there sparky.That's not me, M3Clown, but why don't you tell us just how bold you are...how many $500K cars you've driven...

Bottom line, you need your instructor back in that car. you are over your head big time but to proud to know it.

-Over my head?...funny, I didn't put ONE wheel off the whole day...you must know what I'm saying, right? Surely someone who has such phenomenal experience like you knows what that's like, right? I drove the snot out of the car that day, really had some fun but beat tires and cold track will always highlight the drama.

Too proud...not too proud, I can always learn more and develop into a better driver. For the two years I've done the HPDE in cars (about 7 track days)....no where near 8K laps on a track like you, you super-great wonderful piker... I expect to develop into a better driver.

Years of experience, thousands of laps on a track... and you come accross as an immature noob that's gotten spanked down - I don't believe it one second. You've something to add about the topics at hand or you just looking for a fight? What you say is not necessarily the issue, I'm always open to critical eye giving some constructive advice, it's just the way you express it... a condescending tone and insulting. Really, sounds like you're looking for a fight...

Tell me it's a fight, please, because that's where I have the 8K laps experience.

Really, M3Clown, please introduce yourself should we meet...

Be good,
TomK

[wrxcelration]

WELCOME TO NASIOC hahahaha

[M3 Fanatic]

OK lets be clear.

I could have been nicer and more constructive. But having spent years trying to teach people to drive quickly and safely there are certain things you get to just know.

I did just watch the very first clip. maybe the others showed more promise.

But like all the guys who show up w/ really fine Machines that are hugely capable, the car is way ahead of the Driver. This is a receipe for disaster.

Not sure why you would go drive on crap tires at the track? since it was seasons end I'kll assume you just didn't want to buy some replacements and have them sit in the garage all winter.

PLease don't think I am a poser who isn't being truthful about my qualifications. I have video but alas it is all on Hi-8 format and frankly don't have the time or care to convert/post it. It doesn't matter to anyone but me what it shows.

As a LONG TIME instructor w/ PDA, SCDA, BMWCCA, MB AMG and the occaisional TRack Masters events, I know what I see.

The blue Group is what we fondly refer too as the " just fast enough to be dangerous" group. OUt on your own, trying to lay down a hot lap or two and get the point by for the feeling of accomploishment...............

Dude, seriously, try hitting your marks as your #1 goal. ya cannot go faster until you do.

if you can tell me how to post a pic, I can at least put one up.

I could have been more gentle in my comments.

heres a two tips for LRP.

1. dont down shift at the end of the main straight before entering big bend. It generally makes the car light in the rear and not real stable upon entry. try downshifting just before the first apex. it'll feel hugely better and you be very quick to the rotation point setting up for the second apex. to rotate, use your LEFT foot to trailbrake firmly for just a split second to get the weight off the rear. you turn the wheel when you apply the brake at the same time. once it starts to rotate, back on the throttle and mash it until you get to the left hander.

2. halfway up the climbing turn, the hill gets a bit steeper abot halfway up. you feel it when you climb up there right? well use that compression in the face of the hill to get your last turn in aggressively while all that pressure is applied to the tires. this technique allows you to apex earlier, carry more speed into the hill, and easily make your exit line on the last inch of the outside before you crest the hill.

more to follow:

NOw it's more constructive. My commments made you defensive and understandably so.

no more range wars for me. hope this is helpful in your future events at LRP.

Eric

[2slow2curious]

Originally Posted by M3 Fanatic

Wow.

I have raced about 8,000 laps at LRP. I couldn't believe for a second that you run 3's driving like you do. I used to run mid 4's all dday long in my 88 M3 at 220 h.p and a daily driven street car w/ stock sways and brakes.

You never hit the apex once let alone were smmoth enough to be quick.

in fact that scary moment entering Big bend where you miss the apex by 5 feet and nearly tank slap it was hysterical!

better slow down dude or your sure to ball it up at the end of no name straight.............

I am heqavily consodering getting an STI. Awesome cars! does this mean I could run 0 flats in your car? thats awfully quick in a street car.

and that 500K point by, you drive 500K car at speed and lets see how bold you are there sparky.

Bottom line, you need your instructor back in that car. you are over your head big time but to proud to know it.

Dude,what's your beef.
THIS IS NOT NASIOC
Around here we are normally polite.
As for the 500k point-by,if you don't see the funny side of it ,then you need some drugs to cheer up.
Again,what's your beef?
Let us see your Vids so we can compare.

[ace996]

Eric,
Your first impression skills need some work... My comments in RED.

Originally Posted by M3 Fanatic

OK lets be clear.

I could have been nicer and more constructive. But having spent years trying to teach people to drive quickly and safely there are certain things you get to just know.yes, being a freestyle fighting instructor and an autox instructor for the SCCA and the NYBMWCCA at the autoxes, I know what you mean...shame on us instructors when we judge and insult those whom have less experience...

I did just watch the very first clip.- just the first?...I put some effort in the others, music too!!! And look at the WGI videos...I actually put some effort into the correct line there...even had an instructor that signed me off for solo there, too...as it was my first time there. maybe the others showed more promise.

But like all the guys who show up w/ really fine Machines that are hugely capable, the car is way ahead of the Driver. This is a receipe for disaster.-I'm disappointed that you place me into that group...when I had my supercharged Z06, yeah, I can see that....but thanks for calling my STI a "really fine Machine", I have put some effort into my build. I will humbly disagree about it being way ahead of my driving, though. I've much to learn, though it has been a great learning experience so far.

Not sure why you would go drive on crap tires at the track? since it was seasons end I'kll assume you just didn't want to buy some replacements and have them sit in the garage all winter.that's one, another being that they were calling for rain/ice that day....the esses were glazed with ice that morning. I thought about running my r-comp Ecsta700s (autox tires) but with the cold and bad weather, I'd thought it best to still run on my stockers. They are well shagged, but not "unsafe", and I've always learned more on street tires. And since when are stock tires, even cooked ones, that slip/squeal with warning, a bad thing..? They just kept me slower...

PLease don't think I am a poser who isn't being truthful about my qualifications. I have video but alas it is all on Hi-8 format and frankly don't have the time or care to convert/post it. It doesn't matter to anyone but me what it shows. - Often times I watch other's videos to learn. I've watched friends' videos of LRP, under 1min, and have seen differences.

As a LONG TIME instructor w/ PDA, SCDA, BMWCCA, MB AMG and the occaisional TRack Masters events, I know what I see. -

The blue Group is what we fondly refer too as the " just fast enough to be dangerous" group. OUt on your own, trying to lay down a hot lap or two and get the point by for the feeling of accomploishment...............yeah, that's the group... Funny though, that the cones always get banged around and there are more "offs" in the red/black group...I guess that's just what happens when people go faster... I can't help being in the Blue group, Eric, that's where they've put me. I've also never had someone faster out to show me a faster line. I look forward to the RED group next year, as I'm sure I'll learn more following/being passed by better drivers.
Shame you don't know me, I'm very respectful with the other drivers and instructors. I am competitive, have passion for the track, and want to develop into a better driver.

Dude, seriously, try hitting your marks as your #1 goal. ya cannot go faster until you do. -no issue with that.

if you can tell me how to post a pic, I can at least put one up. -

I could have been more gentle in my comments.

heres a two tips for LRP.

1. dont down shift at the end of the main straight before entering big bend. It generally makes the car light in the rear and not real stable upon entry. try downshifting just before the first apex. it'll feel hugely better and you be very quick to the rotation point setting up for the second apex. to rotate, use your LEFT foot to trailbrake firmly for just a split second to get the weight off the rear. you turn the wheel when you apply the brake at the same time. once it starts to rotate, back on the throttle and mash it until you get to the left hander. Thank you for your advice.

2. halfway up the climbing turn, the hill gets a bit steeper abot halfway up. you feel it when you climb up there right? well use that compression in the face of the hill to get your last turn in aggressively while all that pressure is applied to the tires. this technique allows you to apex earlier, carry more speed into the hill, and easily make your exit line on the last inch of the outside before you crest the hill.-again, thank you for advice.

more to follow:

NOw it's more constructive. My commments made you defensive and understandably so.-

no more range wars for me. hope this is helpful in your future events at LRP.

Eric

I'll see you around...

Be good,
TomK

[M3 Fanatic]

A free fighter huh! nice!

I train at Bushi Ban Martial Arts and Fitness in CT.

Bushi Ban

YOU gotta love Bas Rutten then right?

We're good you and I.

Lets just say I am feeling bad for flaming you like I did. Your videos are quite cool actually.

Supercharged Z06 huh? yeah that musta been a fast ride. ever take that beast to the PDA event when they run the LONG course at POcono? Perfect for that ride!

OK, again, sorry dude my bad. Peace and a bow!

Eric

[ace996]

Yes, MuayThai/JKD and BJJ(Gracie).
Bas was a phenomenal fighter and is a great teacher now.
Z06 was incredible but the STI fits my family/life better.
As a man, I accept your olive branch.
Begood,
TomK

[M3 Fanatic]

well there ya have it. now I can sleep knowing a submission joint lock or choke is not in my immediate future. LOL

Yeah that 4 door rocket theory is what is leading me to dump my 95 M3. then again, my daughter loves the M cars at 5 years old. started in my 88, graduated to the 95.
showed her a nice hi res wallpaper shot ofa WRX STI and she lit up a big smile and said "yeah get that one Daddy!"

glad we could mend the fence.

Eric

[ace996]

Not immediate...

My four year old son, Achilles, cried when "the man took the Corvette away". He loved that car...rode in the passenger seat with his booster...legal in NY with the airbag turned off.
I tell him now that the STI is his...the Grey Dragon, a transformer that fights Decepticons at night while we sleep...he likes it now, but still wants a Corvette.
Be good,
TomK

[Lutfy]

Hello Eric,

Welcome to IWSTI. Hopefully one of these days you will get the STis and realize what a phenomenal machine it is.

I too used to have BMWs (E36 M3s) and like you instructed with CCA and Trackmasters when I used to live up in the North. The Subaru track community is very small. We don't fewer vendors who cater to the track junkies, fewer junkies themselves.

Running 1:04s at LRP in an E30 street car is very quick.

Tom has been posting some interesting stuff on the forums and is quite open to sharing information and his zest to be a better drive is surely up there. I think sometimes we instructors forget the beginner's mind. I remember when I started tracking, I wasn't as open to getting data, comparing notes etc as much as Tom. Hence the learning curve was slow (for me).

Tom,

You are certainly on the right track, if you can hunt down the likes of (BTW they are all up in the North East) Tony Funicello (chief instructor for Trackmasters), Blake Smith (Chief instructor for NJ Chapter BMWCCA), David Foote (COMSCC) his son Kevin works for Turnermotorsports, there are a few other folks out there (Jack Lambert, Bruce Allen and John Levy) and have them drive your car while you are in as passenger, they will blow your mind away. Then have them out with you while you are driving and have them coach you (also compare data which you have access to- a bonus). That is how I learnt. I know the above mentioned folks personally (they are EXTREMELY friendly and quite helpful) and they helped me out BIG TIME especially David/Dave Foote.

I started off running high 1:07s, 1:08s in a stock E36 M3 (my name is Ahmad Lutfeali)

Lime Rock Park - November, 2000

Kept running those times again and again without much gains.

With help from John Levy (sat with him for ONE session and saw how he drove), the same weekend with plenty of feedback, I finally broke into the 1:04s without doing additional mods.

http://www.vilece.tv/vr/cartct/june2002/results.html (same year I become an instructor after attending Trackmaster's/NJ BMWCCA Instructor Training School).

Vilece is very fast at LRP and check out some of his videos as well: http://www.vilece.tv/vr/generatelist.asp?SearchBox=30000019

For benchmark on STi times, check out COMSCC. The guys there are brutally fast and competitive.

After reading the rules, in cold November, an STi with a turbo back (cats in place), ECU flash, coilovers, camber plates, swaybars, R Comps, track pads (stock brakes) factory weight and approx 300~whp (?) is good for 1:01s (http://www.comscc.org/results/lrp_1106.htm) ( I want to find out who Ryan Catucci and Joseph Lu are myself and speak to them about their setup, videos if possible etc.). The same Mr. Lu seems to be running 2:13s at the Glen (HOLY mother of GOD). http://www.comscc.org/results/wgi_0407.htm
Looks like a stock STi running stock width wheels, "as delivered from the factory" tires (I am assuming those would be the RE070s), stock camber etc. (with cat back, shocks and brake pads being the only mod) in Super Stock Unlimited is good for 1:02s (driven by Patrick McParland see times listed above) at LRP.

Best of luck and again with your planned approach and meeting the right mentor/teacher you should be able to modify the nut behind the wheel by leaps in bounds Keep posting those data, its been quite helpful.

Regards,

Lutfy

PS: Next year I too plan on having a pro-driver coach me for my club racing program.

[GTWORX.com]

I would love to see the match between M3Fanatic and ace996 on PPV. UFC85 at Madison Square Gardens. LOL!!!!

[slim9300]

Originally Posted by GTWORX.com

I would love to see the match between M3Fanatic and ace996 on PPV. UFC85 at Madison Square Gardens. LOL!!!!

That's what I was going to say after M3Fanatic's first comment. lol. Here comes the clench followed by the knee to the chin. Out goes the lights...

Then it all seemed to work itself out. But I have to say that definitely wasn't the best way to leave a good first impression M3. (But at least you sounded sincere in your apology)

Tom, I have to say that you dealt with that situation very well. You must be a good guy.

[2slow2curious]

This thread is ever so civilized.

[Turninconcepts.com]

Originally Posted by ace996

Not immediate...

My four year old son, Achilles, cried when "the man took the Corvette away". He loved that car...rode in the passenger seat with his booster...legal in NY with the airbag turned off.
I tell him now that the STI is his...the Grey Dragon, a transformer that fights Decepticons at night while we sleep...he likes it now, but still wants a Corvette.
Be good,
TomK

A transformer! Sweet! You've got me beat as TiC Jr. just refers to the cars as Daddy's race car (the STi), Mommy's race car (the Outback), and the Black race car (the 07 MINI).

[ace996]